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Why is it ok to kill plants but not animals?

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Red meat & even fat should be the least of your health concerns if you are eating processed foods with an ingredient label that reads like a science project, which is basically what it is. Engineered processed food is much worse for you than a piece of steak or bacon.

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I've seen it all in my career. Poultry & eggs are the worst. filthy inhumane, nasty. Death is a blessing to these tortured creatures. Beef cattle lead a somewhat decent life.

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When it comes to how animals are killed and such... I love not to know.

Why trouble yourself with all those terrible details?

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Anybody else feel Darkside is leaving out at least one thing he did with the warm twitching carcass while being in the forest by himself with no one but god as his judge?

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Anybody else feel Darkside is leaving out at least one thing he did with the warm twitching carcass while being in the forest by himself with no one but god as his judge?

If you mean pray for it yes I do that too.

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Replicated Meat – Coming Soon to Major Supermarkets Near You

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Innovation dominates communication, transportation, and now…tacos. Some heavy hitters of the tech world—Biz Stone (of Twitter) and Bill Gates (of, well, you know)—have invested in Beyond Meat, a startup that wants to revolutionize meat…or meat-like substances.

I sit down at a picnic table surrounded by food trucks to try a taco made with what I would call fake chicken; PR people call it synthetic meat, but Beyond Meat’s founder and CEO Ethan Brown actually calls his product meat—albeit meat constructed in a factory from vegetable “inputs.”

“It’s meat made out of plants,” Brown says. “We have taken the constituent parts of meat proteins and sourced them from the plant kingdom—proteins, water, lipids, trace minerals, carbohydrates—and recreated animal meat.”

Health and environmental benefits
Beyond Meat’s products are all zero saturated fat, zero trans fat, and zero cholesterol. And let’s not forget how much cows contribute to climate change (the methane cows emit is an even more potent greenhouse gas than the CO₂ your car puts out). Brown says, “If you change the three to four ounces of protein you put on your plate at dinner, you can make more of a difference than buying a new Prius or upgrading the heating system in your home. It’s actually one of the most important things you can do to address climate change.”

Yeah, that’s all well and good, but how does it taste?

Taste test #1: “Chicken-Free Strips”
The plant-based chicken substitute is mixed into an onion, pepper, and chili base that I spoon into my crunchy taco shell. Add guac, beans, and salsa, and the taste test commences.

As with all food experiences, appearance and texture matter almost as much as flavor, and Beyond Meat is clearly not your mom’s tofurkey. Instead of the homogeneous, blocky meat substitutes of the past, Beyond Meat’s Chicken-Free Strips have the same sinewy appearance of the real thing. My taco looks like a chicken taco.

First bite: Everything tastes right. Even more importantly, everything feels right, too. In these first few bites, I realize the texture of Beyond Meat chicken is, well, just like chicken. And maybe I shouldn’t be so surprised; 15 years of research has gone into perfecting the process, taking the same “inputs” that meat has—proteins, lipids, water—and running them through a process of heating, cooling, and pressure that realigns and interlinks the proteins so they resemble muscle, or meat.

The taste is good, too. In my well-flavored taco, I get none of the weird plastic taste you sometimes get when you get a big chunk of tofu in a mixed dish. That said, when I try Beyond Meat chicken alone, it tastes pretty good, but not as good as real chicken. On the other hand, how often do you eat chicken with absolutely no other flavoring? Bottom line: I wouldn’t eat it plain, but it’s great mixed in with other flavors and textures. And when I admit this to Brown, he totally gets it: “This is Beyond Meat 2.0. We can’t wait to bring 3.0 and 4.0 to market, and that’s what we’re aiming for—indistinguishable chicken taste.”

Taste test #2: “Beef-Free Crumble”
I taste the beef crumbles in a bowl of chili, and they are even better. The taste is excellent, and the texture is really incredible. It feels and chews just like ground beef or turkey.

Humans have evolved eating meat, and so we naturally associate that texture—along with the flavor—with the sustenance we need. Beyond Meat passes the test in ways that other meat substitutes I’ve tried just can’t match.

Availability
Beyond Meat is available in Whole Foods, Sprouts, and Publix stores—and will be coming to some big chains like Safeway in May and Target in September.

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http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/steak-made-from-human-poop-passes-taste-test

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Would you eat a steak made from human sewage? Believe it or not, this concept has already been taste-tested and approved.
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POO'D FOOD: The steaks had a red food coloring added to make them look more like real steaks. (Photo: combust/Flickr)
If you prefer your steak to be cooked rare, you may want to reconsider that choice after hearing about the latest advancement in food technology to come out of Japan: an edible steak made from human feces, reports Discovery News. (Update: Discovery News is now unsure if the story is real and wondering if they were duped. It reminds us of this "Yes Men" poop burger hoax.)

Take a moment to let that gag reflex subside. Now consider this: it's already been taste-tested, approved, and could eventually become a practical solution to sewage treatment. Someday "bowel burgers" may even provide an easy source of protein for the hungry.

The steaks were first envisioned by Japanese researcher Mitsuyuki Ikeda after he was approached by Tokyo Sewage to come up with a solution for the city's overabundance of sewage mud. Although "eating it" probably wouldn't have occurred to most people, Ikeda recognized that the mud was chock full with protein-rich bacteria.

After isolating those proteins in the lab, Ikeda's team then combined them with a reaction enhancer and put them in an exploder. What eventually came out was no filet mignon, but it was edible.

"Theoretically, there's nothing wrong with this," said Douglas Powell, a professor of food safety at Kansas State University. "It could be quite safe to eat, but I'm sure there's a yuck factor there."

To make swallowing the stool steaks a little bit easier, a nutty flavor was added using soy protein, and red food coloring was mixed in too, apparently to make the concoction look more like a juicy, bloody steak. A few brave researchers even took the plunge and taste-tested the product. (Apparently it tastes like regular beef.)

The official composition of the lab-grown steak is 63 percent proteins, 25 percent carbohydrates, 3 percent lipids, and 9 percent minerals. (Which sounds a lot better than 100 percent poop). According to Powell, the idea isn't really all that much different than eating plants that have been fertilized with manure or other excrement.

The idea could even help to solve the world food crisis. By comparison, researchers have also proposed harvesting insect protein (i.e., "bug burgers") as one possible way to help combat famine worldwide. Are "bowel burgers" really so much worse? They also take the ethic of recycling to its logical extreme.

Powell did offer one caveat to the future poo'd food revolution, though: because the steaks are made from human feces, there's always a chance for contamination. If you're brave enough to eat this, at least make certain that it's properly cooked (as if you were going to eat one raw!).

When asked if he would ever consider eating one of the poop steaks if it wasn't cooked, Powell responded matter-of-factly.

"I wouldn't touch it," he said.

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I worked on a mega hog farm as a youngster. I performed most of the things in that video. Looking back, it was sick. The conditions were sick. They were treated as things, not animals.


Who would have thought CSFMB had more than one pig farmer? Although, I worked on a small family farm that was really more of a hobby-type operation. We weren't particularly cruel to the hogs, but we didn't exactly "treat a pig like a pig" either. At the time I was young enough that I wasn't going to question anything. I just figured this is how you do it.

The thing that vegans don't seem to consider is what would happen if man as a whole abdicated his responsibilities as the top predator in the system. There would be a whole different set of problems if man ceased eating meat/killing animals. Man has a responsibility to eat meat and to respect the animals from which that meat comes. In recent decades we haven't been so great at the second part.


It was something like 4,000 gilts and sows. I worked my way up to insemination by age 16.

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I worked on a mega hog farm as a youngster. I performed most of the things in that video. Looking back, it was sick. The conditions were sick. They were treated as things, not animals.


Who would have thought CSFMB had more than one pig farmer? Although, I worked on a small family farm that was really more of a hobby-type operation. We weren't particularly cruel to the hogs, but we didn't exactly "treat a pig like a pig" either. At the time I was young enough that I wasn't going to question anything. I just figured this is how you do it.

The thing that vegans don't seem to consider is what would happen if man as a whole abdicated his responsibilities as the top predator in the system. There would be a whole different set of problems if man ceased eating meat/killing animals. Man has a responsibility to eat meat and to respect the animals from which that meat comes. In recent decades we haven't been so great at the second part.


It was something like 4,000 gilts and sows. I worked my way up to insemination by age 16.


So you have the hog and the sow. Who has sex with the pigs?

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I worked on a mega hog farm as a youngster. I performed most of the things in that video. Looking back, it was sick. The conditions were sick. They were treated as things, not animals.


Who would have thought CSFMB had more than one pig farmer? Although, I worked on a small family farm that was really more of a hobby-type operation. We weren't particularly cruel to the hogs, but we didn't exactly "treat a pig like a pig" either. At the time I was young enough that I wasn't going to question anything. I just figured this is how you do it.

The thing that vegans don't seem to consider is what would happen if man as a whole abdicated his responsibilities as the top predator in the system. There would be a whole different set of problems if man ceased eating meat/killing animals. Man has a responsibility to eat meat and to respect the animals from which that meat comes. In recent decades we haven't been so great at the second part.


It was something like 4,000 gilts and sows. I worked my way up to insemination by age 16.


So you have the hog and the sow. Who has sex with the pigs?


They're all pigs. He has sex with all of them.

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It was something like 4,000 gilts and sows. I worked my way up to insemination by age 16.



Did you have to tickle their anuses (ani?)

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I used to take babies and, if they were under a certain size, grab their feet and whip their tiny bodies and smash their skulls on the concrete. I also took a shotgun and blew the brains out of overheated sows. We also dragged them out with chains so we could put them in the burn pile.

I know this seems fucked up, but it's reality. If one can't handle reading it, they probably shouldn't eat meat.

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I used to take babies and, if they were under a certain size, grab their feet and whip their tiny bodies and smash their skulls on the concrete. I also took a shotgun and blew the brains out of overheated sows. We also dragged them out with chains so we could put them in the burn pile.

I know this seems fucked up, but it's reality. If one can't handle reading it, they probably shouldn't eat meat.


It does. That being said I am sure most of us here would have done the same. I'm a weird guy that likes gore but seeing the condition of the animals I eat bothered me more than the way they were killed.

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I used to take babies and, if they were under a certain size, grab their feet and whip their tiny bodies and smash their skulls on the concrete. I also took a shotgun and blew the brains out of overheated sows. We also dragged them out with chains so we could put them in the burn pile.

I know this seems fucked up, but it's reality. If one can't handle reading it, they probably shouldn't eat meat.


It does. That being said I am sure most of us here would have done the same. I'm a weird guy that likes gore but seeing the condition of the animals I eat bothered me more than the way they were killed.


A pig is a very intelligent animal and much more aware of its situation than a cow or a horse.

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I used to take babies and, if they were under a certain size, grab their feet and whip their tiny bodies and smash their skulls on the concrete. I also took a shotgun and blew the brains out of overheated sows. We also dragged them out with chains so we could put them in the burn pile.

I know this seems fucked up, but it's reality. If one can't handle reading it, they probably shouldn't eat meat.


It does. That being said I am sure most of us here would have done the same. I'm a weird guy that likes gore but seeing the condition of the animals I eat bothered me more than the way they were killed.


A pig is a very intelligent animal and much more aware of its situation than a cow or a horse.


In comparison to what animals? Are they as smart as a cat?

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I used to take babies and, if they were under a certain size, grab their feet and whip their tiny bodies and smash their skulls on the concrete. I also took a shotgun and blew the brains out of overheated sows. We also dragged them out with chains so we could put them in the burn pile.

I know this seems fucked up, but it's reality. If one can't handle reading it, they probably shouldn't eat meat.


It does. That being said I am sure most of us here would have done the same. I'm a weird guy that likes gore but seeing the condition of the animals I eat bothered me more than the way they were killed.


A pig is a very intelligent animal and much more aware of its situation than a cow or a horse.


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