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This is the most logical theory I've seen yet. Occam's Razor vibe.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/

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If the plane crashed in the ocean and they eventually find the passengers' cell phones, would any data (photos, texts, e-mails, etc.) be recoverable if they were under water?
Do we have a bag of rice as big as a plane?

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This is the most logical theory I've seen yet. Occam's Razor vibe.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/


Read that earlier today. I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem to jibe with what is being said about the left turn being programmed into the autopilot. The theory you linked to suggests the turn was done on the spot, while most outlets are saying the deviation was 'planned,' so to speak. It's all very weird.

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This is the most logical theory I've seen yet. Occam's Razor vibe.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/


Read that earlier today. I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem to jibe with what is being said about the left turn being programmed into the autopilot. The theory you linked to suggests the turn was done on the spot, while most outlets are saying the deviation was 'planned,' so to speak. It's all very weird.

I'm far from highly informed about what the media is saying.
Nevertheless, perhaps I'm reacting favorably to this theory as a symbolic antithesis to the internet's default to conspiracy.

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This is the most logical theory I've seen yet. Occam's Razor vibe.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/

I like it

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It is very well written and makes a lot of sense.

However, the problem I have with it is the lack of communication of some type of distress. Would a fire have taken them over so quickly that they would have zero opportunity to communicate distress to Air Traffic Control?

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The debunking that I saw on that theory was that the turn was preprogrammed 12 minutes in advance.

Although, how do they know when it was programmed?

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The debunking that I saw on that theory was that the turn was preprogrammed 12 minutes in advance.

Although, how do they know when it was programmed?


Apparently they have the technology to find this out but they don't have the technology to keep up with a plane this size.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The debunking that I saw on that theory was that the turn was preprogrammed 12 minutes in advance.

Although, how do they know when it was programmed?


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Read that earlier today. I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem to jibe with what is being said about the left turn being programmed into the autopilot. The theory you linked to suggests the turn was done on the spot, while most outlets are saying the deviation was 'planned,' so to speak. It's all very weird.


Here's more context, though I don't know this would answer your "how" question:

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New information from the Thai government bolsters the belief that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took a sharp westward turn after communication was lost.
And it looks like that turn was no accident.
A law enforcement official told CNN Tuesday that the aircraft's first turn to the west was almost certainly programmed by somebody in the cockpit.
The official, who has been briefed on the investigation, said the programmed change in direction was entered at least 12 minutes before the plane's co-pilot signed off to air traffic controllers, telling them, "All right, good night."
Analysts on CNN's "AC360" offered different interpretations of what that could mean -- with some experts cautioning the change in direction could have been part of an alternate flight plan programmed in advance in case of emergency, and others warning it could show something more nefarious was afoot.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1

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Then there is this...
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/aviation-expert-disputes-missing-jet-fire-theory-n56011


The search space is so large that I don't know if it will ever be found. This isn't the first plane that has disappeared like this.
I'm not predisposed to think foul play is involved, someone or organization would have made a statement and claimed responsibility by now. That doesn't mean that foul play can be ruled out obviously, It seems there is no middle ground at this point. It's either an accident, or an intentional act that we may never know the motivations for.

The Malaysian government has concluded that this was a well thought out plan and an intentional diversion by people who put a lot time into planning this. The Malaysian government has also been made to be something of a punching bag regarding their handling of the release of information... so it's all very circumspect until we are presented with more evidence.

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The Pilot's flight simulator data was deleted recently


They say he was practicing weird landings


Im starting to think there's a chance of a hostage situation or at least the pilot might still be alive


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The Pilot's flight simulator data was deleted recently


They say he was practicing weird landings


Im starting to think there's a chance of a hostage situation or at least the pilot might still be alive


Someone deleted files on their computer? No way!

A pilot was goofing around on his flight sim? Never happens.


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The Pilot's flight simulator data was deleted recently


They say he was practicing weird landings


Im starting to think there's a chance of a hostage situation or at least the pilot might still be alive


Someone deleted files on their computer? No way!

A pilot was goofing around on his flight sim? Never happens.

They seem to believe he was practicing for a takeover and diversion of the plane to a small strip


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The Pilot's flight simulator data was deleted recently


They say he was practicing weird landings


Im starting to think there's a chance of a hostage situation or at least the pilot might still be alive
Why do you always present stuff like you are on the scene with your microphone and camera crew, wind whipping through your hair?

You obviously read this somewhere on the net, unless you saw it on tv or heard it on the radio - after which you should admit as much (a la "I saw on CNN today that _____________.")

Link the fuck up, dude! Seriously.

What the hell are you talking about? :lol:


Yes, I heard it on CNN and CNBC and then when I googled it there was like a thousand stories. When its so easily found on google, the link is unnecesary for most people.

But here

https://www.google.com/search?q=pilot+delted+data+&oq=pilot+de&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j0l3.56159j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=pilot+deleted+data


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Wait, you mean RPB isn't reporting directly from CSFMB's Malaysia Bureau?

Fraud.

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Co-pilot steps out of the cockpit to take a piss, rogue pilot locks secured cockpit door, depressurizes the cabin ( I assume the cockpit has its own pressurization system) and everyone but him is out cold in a matter of a few minutes, at most?


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Australia's prime minister said Thursday two objects possibly related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight have been spotted on satellite imagery and an air force aircraft was diverted to the area to try to locate them.

The Orion aircraft was expected to arrive in the area Thursday afternoon, Prime Minister Tony Abott told Parliament in Canberra. Three additional aircraft are expected to follow for a more intensive search, he said.

Abbott cautioned, however, that the task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult and "it may turn out that they are not related to the search for flight MH370."

The latest revelation came as FBI and Malaysian investigators were working to retrieve files that were recently deleted from a home flight simulator belonging to a pilot on board Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 in a hunt for clues as to where the plane headed after it changed course from its planned route to Beijing.

A source familiar with the ongoing investigation told Fox News on Wednesday that FBI agents are in Kuala Lumpur and Malaysian officials have asked them to assist in the data recovery efforts. Authorities also are looking to analyze the files in the context of other traffic on the pilot’s computer.

The massive multinational search for the jetliner – which involves 26 countries -- expanded to the southern Indian Ocean Wednesday.

Planes from the U.S., Australia and New Zealand are searching an area stretching across 117,000 square miles of the southern Indian Ocean, about 1,600 miles southwest of Perth, on Australia's west coast. The Pentagon said the Navy’s P8 Poseidon search aircraft is participating in the effort. The area was assigned to the U.S. by Australian officials, but the Pentagon would not give further details.

Nothing has been found, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said.

Earlier in the day, Malaysia’s defense minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, said the plane’s pilot, Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, is innocent until proven guilty of any wrongdoing. He added that members of his family are cooperating in the investigation.

Files containing records of simulations carried out on Shah’s machine were deleted Feb. 3, Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu said.

The Telegraph, citing Malaysian police, reported that Shah played the popular games Flight Simulator X, Flight Simulator 9 and X-Plane 10.

Deleting files would not necessarily represent anything unusual, especially if it were to free up memory space, but investigators would want to check the files for any signs of unusual flight paths that could help explain where the missing plane went.

The plane, with 239 people on board, disappeared March 8 on a night flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian authorities have not ruled out any possible explanations, but have said the evidence so far suggests the flight was deliberately turned back across Malaysia to the Strait of Malacca. They are unsure what happened next.

Investigators have identified two giant arcs of territory spanning the possible positions of the plane about 7½ hours after takeoff, based on its last faint signal to a satellite. The arcs stretch up as far as Kazakhstan in central Asia and down deep into the southern Indian Ocean.

A source close to the investigation told Reuters that authorities believe the jetliner is likely in the southern corridor. "The working assumption is that it went south, and furthermore that it went to the southern end of that corridor," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The theory is based on the lack of evidence from countries along the northern corridor that the jetliner crossed their airspace, and the failure to find any trace of wreckage in searches in that area, Reuters reported.

China has said it was reviewing radar data and deployed 21 satellites to search the northern corridor of the search area. But those searches so far have turned up no trace of the plane, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Wednesday.

On Tuesday, former FAA spokesman Scott Brenner said that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was already 12 minutes into its diverted course when the plane's co-pilot calmly told air traffic controllers that things were "all right."

"One of the pilots clearly had the intention ... that he was going to take (the plane) in a different direction," Brenner told host Megyn Kelly on "The Kelly File." "It's 100 percent clear this pilot, or this co-pilot, was going to take this plane with the intent of doing something bad."

Brenner also believes it's likely that co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid and Shah were both involved in the decision to change the flight's course.

"For a pilot or a co-pilot to punch in a new waypoint in their flight management system without the other one noticing would be hard to do," he said.

However, on Wednesday, Hussein dismissed the claim that the co-pilot signed off after the plane changed course, without elaborating, The Guardian reported.

“I can confirm that the aircraft flew on normal routing up until the waypoint IGARI,” Hussein told reporters, according to The Guardian. “There is no additional waypoint on MH370’s documented flight plan, which depicts normal routing all the way to Beijing.”

The waypoint IGARI is northeast of Malaysia.

Airline pilots and aviation safety experts told The Associated Press that an onboard computer called the flight management system would have to be deliberately programmed in order to follow the route taken by the plane as described by Malaysian authorities.

Hussein said background checks have been received from overseas agencies for all foreign passengers on the plane except for those from Ukraine and Russia -- which accounted for three passengers. He says none of the checks has turned up anything suspicious.

Meanwhile, relatives of passengers on the missing plane have grown increasingly frustrated over the lack of progress in the search, in its 12th day on Wednesday.

"It's really too much. I don't know why it is taking so long for so many people to find the plane. It's 12 days," Subaramaniam Gurusamy, 60, said in an interview from his home on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur. His 34-year-old son, Pushpanathan Subramaniam, was on the flight heading to Beijing for a work trip.

Before Wednesday's news briefing at a hotel near the Kuala Lumpur airport, two Chinese relatives of passengers held up a banner saying "Truth" in Chinese and started shouting before security personnel escorted them out.

"I want you to help me to find my son!" one of the two women said.

Hussein announced that a delegation of Malaysian government officials, diplomats, air force and civil aviation officials will head to Beijing -- where many of the passengers' relatives are gathered -- to give briefings to the next of kin on the status of the search.

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Breaking news: "It's with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that according to this new data, Flight 370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," Malaysia's Prime Minister said. Details developing live on CNN TV and CNN.com: http://cnn.it/1mqjwT0


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Not buying it...

Look at this fuckin' guy, trying to make the thread all about him...

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Not buying it...

Look at this fuckin' guy, trying to make the thread all about him...



Alls I'm sayin' is I've seen too many movies involving planes and plane like objects to fall for what "they" are telling me. Nahmsayin'?

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because youre a dipshit

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Not buying it...

Look at this fuckin' guy, trying to make the thread all about him...



Alls I'm sayin' is I've seen too many movies involving planes and plane like objects to fall for what "they" are telling me. Nahmsayin'?


Don't go to Crystal Lake either. I saw too many movies of a serial killer who comes out of the water when you are fishing, kills you while you are making out with your girl. Doesn't even wait for you to finish!

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Not buying it...

Look at this fuckin' guy, trying to make the thread all about him...



Alls I'm sayin' is I've seen too many movies involving planes and plane like objects to fall for what "they" are telling me. Nahmsayin'?


Don't go to Crystal Lake either. I saw too many movies of a serial killer who comes out of the water when you are fishing, kills you while you are making out with your girl. Doesn't even wait for you to finish!


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Breaking news: "It's with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that according to this new data, Flight 370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," Malaysia's Prime Minister said. Details developing live on CNN TV and CNN.com: http://cnn.it/1mqjwT0

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He said police are focusing on four possibilities about what happened: a potential hijacking, sabotage, psychological issues or personal problems of the passengers and/or crew.
"Such cases may take up to a year," Khalid said, "so please don't jump to conclusions that the police are slow."
While investigators have yet to find even a piece of the plane, the Prime Minister based his announcement on what he described as unprecedented analysis of satellite data by British satellite provider Inmarsat and the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch. He didn't describe the nature of the analysis.
He said the data, drawn from satellite pings the ill-fated airliner continued to send throughout its final flight, made it clear that the plane's last position was in the middle of the southern Indian Ocean, "far from any possible landing sites."


With as crazy as this whole thing has been and how many dead ends there have been in the search, how can they be so sure of something they have not found anything for yet? Unprecedented analysis? If you are going to say that you should be able to share what this is.

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Breaking news: "It's with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that according to this new data, Flight 370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," Malaysia's Prime Minister said. Details developing live on CNN TV and CNN.com: http://cnn.it/1mqjwT0

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He said police are focusing on four possibilities about what happened: a potential hijacking, sabotage, psychological issues or personal problems of the passengers and/or crew.
"Such cases may take up to a year," Khalid said, "so please don't jump to conclusions that the police are slow."
While investigators have yet to find even a piece of the plane, the Prime Minister based his announcement on what he described as unprecedented analysis of satellite data by British satellite provider Inmarsat and the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch. He didn't describe the nature of the analysis.
He said the data, drawn from satellite pings the ill-fated airliner continued to send throughout its final flight, made it clear that the plane's last position was in the middle of the southern Indian Ocean, "far from any possible landing sites."


With as crazy as this whole thing has been and how many dead ends there have been in the search, how can they be so sure of something they have not found anything for yet? Unprecedented analysis? If you are going to say that you should be able to share what this is.

Sounds like Mac has a second job as Malaysian Prime Minister. No wonder he misses so much time.

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Breaking news: "It's with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that according to this new data, Flight 370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," Malaysia's Prime Minister said. Details developing live on CNN TV and CNN.com: http://cnn.it/1mqjwT0

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He said police are focusing on four possibilities about what happened: a potential hijacking, sabotage, psychological issues or personal problems of the passengers and/or crew.
"Such cases may take up to a year," Khalid said, "so please don't jump to conclusions that the police are slow."
While investigators have yet to find even a piece of the plane, the Prime Minister based his announcement on what he described as unprecedented analysis of satellite data by British satellite provider Inmarsat and the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch. He didn't describe the nature of the analysis.
He said the data, drawn from satellite pings the ill-fated airliner continued to send throughout its final flight, made it clear that the plane's last position was in the middle of the southern Indian Ocean, "far from any possible landing sites."


With as crazy as this whole thing has been and how many dead ends there have been in the search, how can they be so sure of something they have not found anything for yet? Unprecedented analysis? If you are going to say that you should be able to share what this is.


I'm waiting for details too, but from what I gather the UK satellite/tech company was able to further plot its path going south, which eliminated the possibility of the plane flying northwest. The last signal they received was over the ocean, and if you take into consideration the flight path (Kuala Lumpur to halfway to Vietnam, then all the way in the opposite direction to four hours off the western coast of Australia) against the fuel, it's very likely the plane stopped emitting signals because it simply ceased flying at that point. Given also that the plane hasn't been discovered on land somewhere along the northern flight path possibility, you're led to conclude it's highly likely that this plane is at the bottom of the ocean, which can be read to support the flight data from the British company.

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You're right that it's probably down there based on what the data says, but if I were in charge of information... I would give the families exactly what you just wrote. I would not tell them that everyone is dead via text message.


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You're right that it's probably down there based on what the data says, but if I were in charge of information... I would give the families exactly what you just wrote. I would not tell them that everyone is dead via text message.


Yeah that was off-putting, but I read somewhere that texts were for family members not present in Beijing or Malaysia. Everyone else was told in person. Still texting is definitely strange.

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