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This isn't Mayberry. Mind your own fucking business.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/03/25/ ... ign=539793

CHICAGO (STMW) – Shane Stokowski thought the man he spotted leaving a West Town bar was too drunk to drive, so he followed him out to the parking lot, according to Cook County prosecutors.

Stokowski then went up to the SUV Timothy McShane allegedly got into and leaned into the driver’s side window in an apparent attempt to stop McShane from driving away late Saturday afternoon, the Chicago Sun-Times is reporting.

But McShane, who has a suspended driver’s license and previous DUI arrests, backed out of the Aberdeen Tap’s parking lot, hit several cars and sped off with the 33-year-old Stokowski still hanging on to the vehicle’s window, Assistant State’s Attorney Dan Griffin said.

McShane, 42, drove for three-quarters of a block in the 400 block of North Aberdeen before Stokowski fell and hit the pavement, Griffin said.

Stokowski died of blunt trauma to the head and abrasions from the pavement, authorities said. Police said he had been run over by another vehicle.

Instead of contacting police, McShane went to his girlfriend’s house, parked her Nissan Murano and fell asleep for three hours, Griffin said.

When police found him there, McShane told them that Stokowski had tried to attack him and that he fled in fear, according to a police report.

McShane, a father of one, also told officers that Stokowski tried to rob and beat him and made a mark on his neck, the report said.

Hours after he left the bar — at 1:06 am. Sunday — McShane’s blood-alcohol level was still .225, more than twice the state’s legal .08 limit, Griffin said.

Before the fatal hit-and-run, McShane, who works in construction, and Stokowski were having drinks with their respective friends at separate tables at the Aberdeen Tap, 458 North Aberdeen, Griffin said.

A little before 4:50 p.m., the bartender stopped serving McShane because he was drunk, Griffin said.

McShane was ordered held in lieu of $350,000 bail Tuesday for reckless homicide, aggravated DUI and leaving the scene of an accident.

He received court supervision in 1993 for a DUI.

McShane was arrested again in 2006 for another DUI but that charge was reduced to reckless driving.

McShane’s had an address listed in Park Ridge and another in Arlington Heights in the police reports.

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Hours after he left the bar — at 1:06 am. Sunday — McShane’s blood-alcohol level was still .225, more than twice the state’s legal .08 limit, Griffin said.


Unless dude was dumb and said something, the police can't prove he didn't imbide between the time he left the bar and when they checked his blood-alcohol level several hours later.


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why would the guy hang onto the car for 3/4 of a block ???

i kind of agree with you that initiating a confrontation probably wasn't the best thing to do...write down the license and call a cop

but the minute dude stepped on the accelerator , that would have been it for me....was he hoping to climb in the car through the drivers side window while it was moving , furiously toss the drunk aside and take over control of the vehicle ?


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Hours after he left the bar — at 1:06 am. Sunday — McShane’s blood-alcohol level was still .225, more than twice the state’s legal .08 limit, Griffin said.


Unless dude was dumb and said something, the police can't prove he didn't imbide between the time he left the bar and when they checked his blood-alcohol level several hours later.


he should date that one college chick who posted her .450 BAC or whatever it was on Twitter


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This isn't Mayberry. Mind your own fucking business.

Wow. I would have expected you to be the kind of guy who would applaud a citizen for trying to prevent someone killing themselves or others.

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Also, how did they know all of these facts, was the guy that died on the phone with someone prior to him dying?

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McShane, 42, drove for three-quarters of a block in the 400 block of North Aberdeen before Stokowski fell and hit the pavement, Griffin said.

3/4th of a victory lap!

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That was really stupid.

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This isn't Mayberry. Mind your own fucking business.

Wow. I would have expected you to be the kind of guy who would applaud a citizen for trying to prevent someone killing themselves or others.


No. I think people should mind their own business. It's not like the guy was beating an old lady. Besides that, the guy trying to stop him came out of the same damn bar. Where's his judgment?

Anyway, drinking is part of our culture. Therefore drinking and driving is part of our culture. We can argue about the morality of that all day long while we demonize the drivers and look the other way as bars, liquor companies, and taxing bodies fill their coffers.

And look, the Aberdeen is a few blocks from the Green Line and it's easy to access a cab there. I guess if you want to use those facts to act like a guy driving drunk is equal to a murderer you can. But if we stopped all drunken driving in the suburbs and exburbs, I believe we would effectively eliminate all bars in those areas. Bye bye Cooper's Hawk!

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The only shame is the car didn't drive off a cliff with both of them perishing in a fiery, cataclysmic explosion of karmic justice.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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This isn't Mayberry. Mind your own fucking business.

Wow. I would have expected you to be the kind of guy who would applaud a citizen for trying to prevent someone killing themselves or others.


No. I think people should mind their own business. It's not like the guy was beating an old lady. Besides that, the guy trying to stop him came out of the same damn bar. Where's his judgment?

Anyway, drinking is part of our culture. Therefore drinking and driving is part of our culture. We can argue about the morality of that all day long while we demonize the drivers and look the other way as bars, liquor companies, and taxing bodies fill their coffers.

And look, the Aberdeen is a few blocks from the Green Line and it's easy to access a cab there. I guess if you want to use those facts to act like a guy driving drunk is equal to a murderer you can. But if we stopped all drunken driving in the suburbs and exburbs, I believe we would effectively eliminate all bars in those areas. Bye bye Cooper's Hawk!
He should have called the cops.

Don't make this about "drunk driving is ok" especially at the intoxication level this guy likely was at.

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Darkside wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This isn't Mayberry. Mind your own fucking business.

Wow. I would have expected you to be the kind of guy who would applaud a citizen for trying to prevent someone killing themselves or others.

The citizen wasn't even trying to prevent his own death.

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McShane, 42, drove for three-quarters of a block in the 400 block of North Aberdeen before Stokowski fell and hit the pavement, Griffin said.

3/4th of a victory lap!


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Anyway, drinking is part of our culture. Therefore drinking and driving is part of our culture. We can argue about the morality of that all day long while we demonize the drivers and look the other way as bars, liquor companies, and taxing bodies fill their coffers.

And look, the Aberdeen is a few blocks from the Green Line and it's easy to access a cab there. I guess if you want to use those facts to act like a guy driving drunk is equal to a murderer you can. But if we stopped all drunken driving in the suburbs and exburbs, I believe we would effectively eliminate all bars in those areas. Bye bye Cooper's Hawk!


This will never get old. :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This isn't Mayberry. Mind your own fucking business.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/03/25/ ... ign=539793

CHICAGO (STMW) – Shane Stokowski thought the man he spotted leaving a West Town bar was too drunk to drive, so he followed him out to the parking lot, according to Cook County prosecutors.

Stokowski then went up to the SUV Timothy McShane allegedly got into and leaned into the driver’s side window in an apparent attempt to stop McShane from driving away late Saturday afternoon, the Chicago Sun-Times is reporting.

But McShane, who has a suspended driver’s license and previous DUI arrests, backed out of the Aberdeen Tap’s parking lot, hit several cars and sped off with the 33-year-old Stokowski still hanging on to the vehicle’s window, Assistant State’s Attorney Dan Griffin said.

McShane, 42, drove for three-quarters of a block in the 400 block of North Aberdeen before Stokowski fell and hit the pavement, Griffin said.

Stokowski died of blunt trauma to the head and abrasions from the pavement, authorities said. Police said he had been run over by another vehicle.

Instead of contacting police, McShane went to his girlfriend’s house, parked her Nissan Murano and fell asleep for three hours, Griffin said.

When police found him there, McShane told them that Stokowski had tried to attack him and that he fled in fear, according to a police report.

McShane, a father of one, also told officers that Stokowski tried to rob and beat him and made a mark on his neck, the report said.

Hours after he left the bar — at 1:06 am. Sunday — McShane’s blood-alcohol level was still .225, more than twice the state’s legal .08 limit, Griffin said.

Before the fatal hit-and-run, McShane, who works in construction, and Stokowski were having drinks with their respective friends at separate tables at the Aberdeen Tap, 458 North Aberdeen, Griffin said.

A little before 4:50 p.m., the bartender stopped serving McShane because he was drunk, Griffin said.

McShane was ordered held in lieu of $350,000 bail Tuesday for reckless homicide, aggravated DUI and leaving the scene of an accident.

He received court supervision in 1993 for a DUI.

McShane was arrested again in 2006 for another DUI but that charge was reduced to reckless driving.

McShane’s had an address listed in Park Ridge and another in Arlington Heights in the police reports.
Ill bet this McShane dude called the other guy a cock sucker a few times as he was hanging on the side of his car.

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Sounds like the guy that slid head first couldn't take no for any answer. I can't think of anything dumber to do when leaving a bar. He could have been shot.

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why would the guy hang onto the car for 3/4 of a block ???

i kind of agree with you that initiating a confrontation probably wasn't the best thing to do...write down the license and call a cop

but the minute dude stepped on the accelerator , that would have been it for me....was he hoping to climb in the car through the drivers side window while it was moving , furiously toss the drunk aside and take over control of the vehicle ?
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McShane, 42, drove for three-quarters of a block in the 400 block of North Aberdeen before Stokowski fell and hit the pavement, Griffin said.

3/4th of a victory lap!


It wasn't the fall that killed him; it was the pavement.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This isn't Mayberry. Mind your own fucking business.

Wow. I would have expected you to be the kind of guy who would applaud a citizen for trying to prevent someone killing themselves or others.


No. I think people should mind their own business. It's not like the guy was beating an old lady. Besides that, the guy trying to stop him came out of the same damn bar. Where's his judgment?

Anyway, drinking is part of our culture. Therefore drinking and driving is part of our culture. We can argue about the morality of that all day long while we demonize the drivers and look the other way as bars, liquor companies, and taxing bodies fill their coffers.

And look, the Aberdeen is a few blocks from the Green Line and it's easy to access a cab there. I guess if you want to use those facts to act like a guy driving drunk is equal to a murderer you can. But if we stopped all drunken driving in the suburbs and exburbs, I believe we would effectively eliminate all bars in those areas. Bye bye Cooper's Hawk!
He should have called the cops.

Don't make this about "drunk driving is ok" especially at the intoxication level this guy likely was at.


All the more reason he wans't capable of making that decision.

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McShane, 42, drove for three-quarters of a block in the 400 block of North Aberdeen before Stokowski fell and hit the pavement, Griffin said.

3/4th of a victory lap!


It wasn't the fall that killed him; it was the pavement.


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It was probably that, actually.

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Sounds like the guy that slid head first couldn't take no for any answer. I can't think of anything dumber to do when leaving a bar. He could have been shot.


He just came out of a bar, possibly drunk himself, and probably had on a sportcoat - he felt invincible.

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Sounds like the guy that slid head first couldn't take no for any answer. I can't think of anything dumber to do when leaving a bar. He could have been shot.


He just came out of a bar, possibly drunk himself, and probably had on a sportcoat - he felt invincible.


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Sounds like the guy that slid head first couldn't take no for any answer. I can't think of anything dumber to do when leaving a bar. He could have been shot.


He just came out of a bar, possibly drunk himself, and probably had on a sportcoat - he felt invincible.

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