I'm done with the guy. Kicks off the season 0-9, lets a ball get under his glove allowing a run and then pops a lazy fly after "working" the count to 3-0. New season same shit. Cubs catered to his every whim this past offseason and spring training. Dude has shown no progression. There was hope for this one but he's proven to be just another overhyped guy to toss in the discard pile.

Remeber those halcyon days when he was headed to the Hall of Fame? Don't worry though, Baez is a certain Hall of Famer and he'll be up soon.

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Remarkable first two years. Hope he can get back.

You don't want them to be Hall of Famer's! The more 100 loss seasons the Cubs have the closer they are to a World Series.

Get it?

Agreed. Very nice to have an even better prospect that you can insert when the previous one busted.

He's regressed big time that's for sure.

The biggest Cubs fan I know called me up after the Sox opener and was going nuts about Eaton and Abreu and complaining about the Cubs. This is a guy who has pretty much been on board with Theo's "plan". He rightly pointed out that Hahn and Williams retooled on the fly without subjecting their fans to season after season of brutal baseball. And then he told me that when he spoke with Theo at Kerry Wood's party, Theo said, "I wish there was free agency for 26 year old guys." And this guy said to me, "You know what? There are good 22-26 year old guys available. You just have to find them the way Hahn did."

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I'm not sure what a "better" prospect is. I guess it's a guy who is written about more by Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus. To me, he's just another guy who has never played big league baseball.

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I mean all you have to do is ignore the state each franchise when each General Manager started and you'd have a point. But that would be ignorant.

Season after season?

Theo has two seasons under his belt. Last year his MLB team had a better year than Hahn/Williams.

So I guess they did subject their fans to brutal baseball. Theo did it for one more season than they did.

And getting a little ahead of ourselves on Abreu and Eaton. Abreu was a big free agent signing and Eaton has much to prove

Is this a serious talking point? I think you've mentioned it multiple times.

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Can we get this thread back on track and continue talking about how shitty Castro is?

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Right. We all know it was one game. But you can see the type of players they are.

And if you don't see the difference between the Sox bad season last year with the very same team that had contended the year before and Theo stripping down the organization to purposely lose, well... but come on, of course you see the difference. And this is the third year of purposeful losing and embarrassingly low payrolls for Theo. I have no idea where the Sox might finish this season, but they've already convinced me they won't be brutal to watch.

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Gordon Beckham looked like a sure fire HoFer after his initial couple weeks in the majors. But you're right, Eaton and Abreu and Davidison situations are totally different.

Of course it is.

When someone says Theo has subjected the team to season after season of Brutal baseball and suggests that Hahn/Williams did not, its pretty relevant to point out the total inaccuracy.

Theo: 2 bad seasons
Hahn: 1 bad season


That is not at all how Jorr presented it. His post came off like the Sox were contenders while all these trades were made.

Yes, I see the difference. One team tried to contend and failed and one team tried to rebuild and failed.

Both failures.

Why is losing 99 games excusable?

What happened to the "It doesn't matter if you win 60 games or 80 games" idea?

I'd say the Cubs and Sox both had equally bad years last year.

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He did? Maybe to a crazy ass fickle Cubs fan. I'm not suggesting that Eaton, Abreu, or Davidson are Hall of Fame caliber players. But I'll stack them up against Almora, Rizzo, and Bryant for their careers and feel real comfortable going forward. And nobody is constantly referring to the guy who found them as a "genius".

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It's not. That's why the Sox made moves to try and prevent it from happening again. The Cubs made moves that might have made them worse than last season.

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100% agree

So is it fair to label two years as "season after season of brutal baseball" and in the same post praise a gm combo that just came off a terrible season of their own?

Well if it's not acceptable, I dont see how you can be praising Hahn the way you are. You would be CRUSHING Cub fans for this kind of outlook after two games of decent results from two prospects

Are you serious?! Beckham's first year had Sox people and even idiots like Terry going ga ga over the kid. No no no don't crap me now.

One wasn't done on purpose though. I know you can see the difference. It's great for bernstein to sit in the studio and say, "don't buy tickets", but somebody has to buy tickets or the team would fold.

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Terry? Do you really take anything he says seriously?

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Fickle Cub fans.


Oh and can I get a link to someone calling Theo a genius recently?

Well that's terrific and commendable that they gave it the old college try.

They failed hard, regardless

No, I wouldn't. If the Cubs has started the season with Bryant at third and Baez at second and both of them looked like they could play at the level, I would feel better for Cub fans. If the Cubs had signed a couple free agents to one or two year deals that weren't going to "block" any of their future superstars so the paying fan could watch something better than these busted down retreads, I'd feel better for Cub fans.

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If we want to be literal, season after season indicates two or more.

JORR may be projecting that the Cubs will be brutal for a third and the Sox won't be brutal for a second. I guess we'll see. If the Sox are brutal this year, you should bump this thread and rip into JORR.

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Anyways JORR can take his la la Sox worldview to some other thread. Time to refocus the thread back on bashing Castro's piss poor effort so far.

To get it back on track, I am wondering if this is ultimately the panic move the Cubs have to make this year.

It's hard to sell hope for the future when they aren't even in a Cubs uniform.

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