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Also, seeing my guy Ryno Managing the Phillie's pisses me off. But hey, Quade was the guy & now we have Ricky.


How in the hell exactly would the Cubs benefit with him managing the current club of crap - and also eschewing all the metrics Theo (et al) work with, by the way - when he hasn't shown that he can take a more 'proper' team over the .500 mark? I'm sure Castro would have his head on straght for example ... I mean, look at the bang-up job he's doing with his own shortstop ...

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I really hope you are joking. If not this is a very bad baseball thought.

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Ryno and Castro would make a fabulous combo. I would find it highly entertaining. :lol:

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Also, seeing my guy Ryno Managing the Phillie's pisses me off. But hey, Quade was the guy & now we have Ricky.


How in the hell exactly would the Cubs benefit with him managing the current club of crap - and also eschewing all the metrics Theo (et al) work with, by the way - when he hasn't shown that he can take a more 'proper' team over the .500 mark? I'm sure Castro would have his head on straght for example ... I mean, look at the bang-up job he's doing with his own shortstop ...

(Sandberg @ the helm 2013: 20-22, including going 1-2 against the vaunted Cubs)


Sandberg is my favorite Baseball player of all time, so yea, I wish he was the manager. At least he would be the face of the organization & might help sell a few more tickets too. Ryno was successful at every level that he managed in the minor leagues. He followed the perfect career path. He should have got the Cubs job...but instead Hendry hired Mike fucking Quade. Nice move.

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Also, seeing my guy Ryno Managing the Phillie's pisses me off. But hey, Quade was the guy & now we have Ricky.


How in the hell exactly would the Cubs benefit with him managing the current club of crap - and also eschewing all the metrics Theo (et al) work with, by the way - when he hasn't shown that he can take a more 'proper' team over the .500 mark? I'm sure Castro would have his head on straght for example ... I mean, look at the bang-up job he's doing with his own shortstop ...

(Sandberg @ the helm 2013: 20-22, including going 1-2 against the vaunted Cubs)


I really hope you are joking. If not this is a very bad baseball thought.


I'm asking how the Cubs would be materially better with Sandberg managing.

Addtionally, my understanding is he doesn't want anything to do with the numbers Theo and his cohorts tend to use.

Lastly, I'm unclear as to how his current (albeit short) run as Phillies manager so far would demonstrate his (apparent) obvious superior managing skills. Not saying he therefore has none, I'm saying that to say he's better than most anyone is a statement that cannot be proven yet.

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He actually managed most of the guys that are coming up. They had success too.

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Yeah Scorehead but say Hendry hired Ryno. He'd be in what , year 4 ? of his team sucking to heaven and probably fed up by now if he's as red ass as he's reported to be and looking to get of dodge by now or trying to get himself fired.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Don Tiny wrote:
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Also, seeing my guy Ryno Managing the Phillie's pisses me off. But hey, Quade was the guy & now we have Ricky.


How in the hell exactly would the Cubs benefit with him managing the current club of crap - and also eschewing all the metrics Theo (et al) work with, by the way - when he hasn't shown that he can take a more 'proper' team over the .500 mark? I'm sure Castro would have his head on straght for example ... I mean, look at the bang-up job he's doing with his own shortstop ...

(Sandberg @ the helm 2013: 20-22, including going 1-2 against the vaunted Cubs)


I really hope you are joking. If not this is a very bad baseball thought.


I'm asking how the Cubs would be materially better with Sandberg managing.

Addtionally, my understanding is he doesn't want anything to do with the numbers Theo and his cohorts tend to use.

Lastly, I'm unclear as to how his current (albeit short) run as Phillies manager so far would demonstrate his (apparent) obvious superior managing skills. Not saying he therefore has none, I'm saying that to say he's better than most anyone is a statement that cannot be proven yet.


I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Also, seeing my guy Ryno Managing the Phillie's pisses me off. But hey, Quade was the guy & now we have Ricky.


How in the hell exactly would the Cubs benefit with him managing the current club of crap - and also eschewing all the metrics Theo (et al) work with, by the way - when he hasn't shown that he can take a more 'proper' team over the .500 mark? I'm sure Castro would have his head on straght for example ... I mean, look at the bang-up job he's doing with his own shortstop ...

(Sandberg @ the helm 2013: 20-22, including going 1-2 against the vaunted Cubs)


I really hope you are joking. If not this is a very bad baseball thought.


I'm asking how the Cubs would be materially better with Sandberg managing.

Addtionally, my understanding is he doesn't want anything to do with the numbers Theo and his cohorts tend to use.

Lastly, I'm unclear as to how his current (albeit short) run as Phillies manager so far would demonstrate his (apparent) obvious superior managing skills. Not saying he therefore has none, I'm saying that to say he's better than most anyone is a statement that cannot be proven yet.


He managed a lot of the young talent on the team and that will be coming up and was very successful. The Phillie's were awful last year and he got them to play better baseball to end the season. I'm not saying that the Cubs would make the playoffs this year but I think he would develop the talent better and create a winning environment.

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I'm asking how the Cubs would be materially better with Sandberg managing.

Addtionally, my understanding is he doesn't want anything to do with the numbers Theo and his cohorts tend to use.

Lastly, I'm unclear as to how his current (albeit short) run as Phillies manager so far would demonstrate his (apparent) obvious superior managing skills. Not saying he therefore has none, I'm saying that to say he's better than most anyone is a statement that cannot be proven yet.


I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.


Since, to this point, Sandberg isn't in any way more accomplished a manager than Quade, I don't know how Girardi's name even remotely comes into any sort of analogy.

The fact is you want Sandberg to manage the team because of meatballness - which is fine so long as you say that up front.

Otherwise, the only other option is to imply he's obviously better than Renteria - which is impossible to gauge because neither has managed enough games to have the first idea how good or bad they are.

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Scorehead wrote:

I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.


Quade sucked, no question. Are you really judging Renteria after 3 games though? He could end up being the next Torre for all we know...

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[ I'm not saying that the Cubs would make the playoffs this year but I think he would develop the talent better and create a winning environment.


I love Ryno as much as any Sox fan possibly can, but he will fail. that hard-ass act aint gonna play anymore if it ever did. pro athletes are the biggest fucking pussies, maybe only second to sports radio hosts. Rizzo would be whining in Theo's office the first day of spring training. "he made us run laps!!!"

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He managed a lot of the young talent on the team and that will be coming up and was very successful. The Phillie's were awful last year and he got them to play better baseball to end the season. I'm not saying that the Cubs would make the playoffs this year but I think he would develop the talent better and create a winning environment.


That's fine if you think that - I can't say it's impossible - but what I said is far from a bad baseball thought.

One's record as a manger in the minors has as little to do with actually projecting success in the majors as it does for a player ... it can give you an idea, but it's hardly informative enough to make real predictions that have merit to them.

He did not, however, have them playing demonstrably better baseball. It's hardly uncommon for a team that has their manager removed towards the latter third of the season to "improve" slightly ... but to say that said improvement was only possible specifically due to Sandberg is, at best, conjecture and not fact.

By the end of the season perhaps informed opinions can be made about Sandberg's skill - albeit only with a veteran team, not a bunch of 3A/4A players in a rebuilding mode.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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I'm asking how the Cubs would be materially better with Sandberg managing.

Addtionally, my understanding is he doesn't want anything to do with the numbers Theo and his cohorts tend to use.

Lastly, I'm unclear as to how his current (albeit short) run as Phillies manager so far would demonstrate his (apparent) obvious superior managing skills. Not saying he therefore has none, I'm saying that to say he's better than most anyone is a statement that cannot be proven yet.


I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.


Since, to this point, Sandberg isn't in any way more accomplished a manager than Quade, I don't know how Girardi's name even remotely comes into any sort of analogy.

The fact is you want Sandberg to manage the team because of meatballness - which is fine so long as you say that up front.

Otherwise, the only other option is to imply he's obviously better than Renteria - which is impossible to gauge because neither has managed enough games to have the first idea how good or bad they are.


The thing is, it made perfect sense to hire Ryno since he worked his way up through the minors, had winning teams at every level, and he managed most of the guys who are now on the major league roster as well as some who will be on the roster. It was the perfect situation. For once the Cubs had groomed a guy the right way & then they fucked it up & just threw it all away.
I'm pretty sure that Quade & Sveum were terrible & Ricky is just a guy.

Was it meatball when the Bears hired Ditka? Yup.

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I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.


Quade sucked, no question. Are you really judging Renteria after 3 games though? He could end up being the next Torre for all we know...

Not to pick nits Hank but wtf did Torre ever win without those stacked Yankee teams and payroll funding it? He failed everywhere else he ever managed.

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I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.


Quade sucked, no question. Are you really judging Renteria after 3 games though? He could end up being the next Torre for all we know...

Not to pick nits Hank but wtf did Torre ever win without those stacked Yankee teams and payroll funding it? He failed everywhere else he ever managed.

Lots of other guys failed with stacked teams.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.


Quade sucked, no question. Are you really judging Renteria after 3 games though? He could end up being the next Torre for all we know...

Not to pick nits Hank but wtf did Torre ever win without those stacked Yankee teams and payroll funding it? He failed everywhere else he ever managed.


I'm projecting the Cubs to look like those Yankees teams... just kidding.

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Scorehead wrote:
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I'm asking how the Cubs would be materially better with Sandberg managing.

Addtionally, my understanding is he doesn't want anything to do with the numbers Theo and his cohorts tend to use.

Lastly, I'm unclear as to how his current (albeit short) run as Phillies manager so far would demonstrate his (apparent) obvious superior managing skills. Not saying he therefore has none, I'm saying that to say he's better than most anyone is a statement that cannot be proven yet.


I never said he was the greatest manage ever. But we had Quade & now Ricky. They aren't exactly Girardi.


Since, to this point, Sandberg isn't in any way more accomplished a manager than Quade, I don't know how Girardi's name even remotely comes into any sort of analogy.

The fact is you want Sandberg to manage the team because of meatballness - which is fine so long as you say that up front.

Otherwise, the only other option is to imply he's obviously better than Renteria - which is impossible to gauge because neither has managed enough games to have the first idea how good or bad they are.


The thing is, it made perfect sense to hire Ryno since he worked his way up through the minors, had winning teams at every level, and he managed most of the guys who are now on the major league roster as well as some who will be on the roster. It was the perfect situation. For once the Cubs had groomed a guy the right way & then they fucked it up & just threw it all away.
I'm pretty sure that Quade & Sveum were terrible & Ricky is just a guy.

Was it meatball when the Bears hired Ditka? Yup.


That includes managing Castro ... there's a real success story.

It was not the perfect situation; AGAIN, Theo uses metrics and numbers to acquire people that Sandberg does not give a flying fuck about, and if you can reconcile how that works out to be 'perfect' then you've discovered some new math.

Sandberg, as of yet, is nothing more than "just a guy" ... there is literally nothing based in reality and fact to indicate otherwise. Can he be one of the greats? Well sure he can ... but no more or less than Renteria.

Lastly, Theo didn't hire Ryne and didn't groom anyone for anything - that was by the last outfit of chucklefucks, and last I checked they didn't do anything of any lasting importance.

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that was by the last outfit of chucklefucks, and last I checked they didn't do anything of any lasting importance.


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They only put together a team that made it to the NLCS and then later back to back playoff appearances for the first time in 100 years.

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[when he hasn't shown that he can take a more 'proper' team over the .500 mark?


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that was by the last outfit of chucklefucks, and last I checked they didn't do anything of any lasting importance.


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They only put together a team that made it to the NLCS and then later back to back playoff appearances for the first time in 100 years.


Well, paint the town Cubbie Blue! We almost won something - success!!!

Dallas Green had them 1 game from the World Series as well ... might as well jump, JUMP!!!

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Yup.

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