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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:29 pm 
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I know a guy who ate terribly, smoked, and drank his whole life. He ended up having a heart attack and died in the hospital.

The obvious conclusion: avoid hospitals.



That is good. I heard many variations on that. :lol:

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Not speaking to KDDIDIT but some people that have never experienced any of these things will always believe that you should have done what they believe they will do in a particular situation. Life just seems to work a little differently. It's not like a video game or a computer model.


Allowing emotions and personal experiences to factor into medical decisions seems like a well-thought out plan

These things ALWAYS play a role. In fact they play a role in just about everything you do whether you realize it or not.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:33 pm 
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Not speaking to KDDIDIT but some people that have never experienced any of these things will always believe that you should have done what they believe they will do in a particular situation. Life just seems to work a little differently. It's not like a video game or a computer model.
I don't think many people care if it only affects the person who is making the decision. If someone wants to forgo back surgery and do other things then go ahead. I hope it works out great. So will your doctor.


Unless you don't have a family these choices have an impact on a lot of people.

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I had a kidney removed years ago and tested positive for MRSA when I first arrived at the hospital. Anyone entering my room had to wear the hazmat-type gear head-to-toe. Never received a bill from the hospital for what I owed after insurance paid.

I didn’t know anything about MRSA at the time and was far more concerned about the major surgery, but I suspect I contracted it at the hospital and that was the reason for no bill.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:38 pm 
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Unless you don't have a family these choices have an impact on a lot of people.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people defying standard and accepted medical advice. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else then go ahead. If someone wants to forgo cancer treatment and instead work on deep breathing then go ahead. That can't hurt anyone else.

It's up to the person to answer to their family when they go against medical advice.

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Why are there so many pages?


People have a lot of thoughts. Why shouldn't there be so many pages?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:20 pm 
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Nas wrote:
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Why are there so many pages?


People have a lot of thoughts. Why shouldn't there be so many pages?


I dunno. I haven't read it.

I can only assume there are people who are against vaccines for their children. Is that right?

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
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Why are there so many pages?


People have a lot of thoughts. Why shouldn't there be so many pages?


I dunno. I haven't read it.

I can only assume there are people who are against vaccines for their children. Is that right?


Perhaps...

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If you don't have kids, you don't really need to worry about this....

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One of those things are not like the others.

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
If you don't have kids, you don't really need to worry about this....

Actually, you do. People choosing not to vaccinate they children effects everyone.

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
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Why are there so many pages?


People have a lot of thoughts. Why shouldn't there be so many pages?


I dunno. I haven't read it.

I can only assume there are people who are against vaccines for their children. Is that right?


Not exactly.

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
If you don't have kids, you don't really need to worry about this....


This is incorrect on many levels.

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If kids don't get vaccinated and die because of it, who is going to talk shit to me on Xbox Live?


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If kids don't get vaccinated and die because of it, who is going to talk shit to me on Xbox Live?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:12 pm 
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Don't be nutjob douchebags. Vaccinate your fucking kids.


If you don't have kids....you can't vaccinate them. I'm not worrying about your kids. I have other concerns...

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
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Don't be nutjob douchebags. Vaccinate your fucking kids.


If you don't have kids....you can't vaccinate them. I'm not worrying about your kids. I have other concerns...
There is a chance the vaccine did not work for you.

Also, if you ever do have kids, there is a time frame where they will not be vaccinated either.

It is a society based problem which is why you simply cannot make decisions made on unsupportable evidence.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:21 pm 
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I'm pro-medicine and prevention, but at 38 years old and someone who has had more drugs pumped through his body in 54 weeks than this board will see in a lifetime, I'll take my chances that parents will do the "right" thing. I'm still not going to worry about their kids if they don't.

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I'm pro-medicine and prevention, but at 38 years old and someone who has had more drugs pumped through his body in 54 weeks than this board will see in a lifetime, I'll take my chances that parents will do the "right" thing. I'm still not going to worry about their kids if they don't.
Once again, the problem is that unvaccinated kids are a danger for all other kids. If vaccines were 100% effective, and could be given to newborns then I'd agree with you.

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And if I ever have kids, maybe I'll worry about other people's kids...but I won't be pushing a stroller through a Chuck-E-Cheese during little league pizza parties.

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And if I ever have kids, maybe I'll worry about other people's kids...but I won't be pushing a stroller through a Chuck-E-Cheese during little league pizza parties.
Technically, any of us could also have a lack of immunity, even with getting the shots correctly.

It is in no way acceptable that diseases considered eradicated in this country are coming back. Not to mention that it brings up the very scary prospect of these diseases mutating to a vaccine resistant string.

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I don't disagree, I simply do not care to put effort into worrying about vaccinating my kid when I don't have actually have one....and I cannot control who procreates, which is probably a good thing.

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And if I ever have kids, maybe I'll worry about other people's kids...but I won't be pushing a stroller through a Chuck-E-Cheese during little league pizza parties.
Technically, any of us could also have a lack of immunity, even with getting the shots correctly.

It is in no way acceptable that diseases considered eradicated in this country are coming back. Not to mention that it brings up the very scary prospect of these diseases mutating to a vaccine resistant string.


But if the vaccines don't work on at least 5% of those that have received them year after year, then it is hardly the fault of those that aren't vaccinated that the diseases are returning.

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I know a guy who ate terribly, smoked, and drank his whole life. He ended up having a heart attack and died in the hospital.

The obvious conclusion: avoid hospitals.


That seems logical.

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
I don't disagree, I simply do not care to put effort into worrying about vaccinating my kid when I don't have actually have one....and I cannot control who procreates, which is probably a good thing.


I, on the other hand, spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about whether to vaccinate my hypothetical child. Not to mention the angst I feel about his performance on the ACT.

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I can honestly say that I have no idea what the argument is here.


My best guess is...

doug: I don't care

Rick: You SHOULD care

Is this close?

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