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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:20 am 
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I am so sick and sad to have keep reading stories like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/09/su ... ia-school/

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I'm glad they didn't have a gun. Could have been much worse...

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I'm glad they didn't have a gun. Could have been much worse...

Agreed, and in the article talks of bullying, I just don't get it. I can't fathom how much somebody has to be pushed to react like this.

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Ban knives, even the plastic ones.

Can I stab you with a plastic one first?

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SomeGuy? Better off using a spork.


Hopefully nobody dies. People sure do suck.

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Close to my home. Weird but I guess could have been worse. I read a bunch of the injuries were from the panic and commotion more than the knife.

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This is why I hate knives.
Knives cost Lives. That's my mantra.
The obviously need to be banned.

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Once again. We need to fix the Mental Health system here in America. Instead of sweeping it under the rug,underfunding and cutting of programs. I really think we need to re-establish live-in mental health facilities.

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Darkside wrote:
This is why I hate knives.
Knives cost Lives. That's my mantra.
The obviously need to be banned.

I support the 2nd amendment and people's rights to defend themselves but if there are zero deaths, we can reasonably assume it would have been far worse with a gun right?


Like back when the Newtown shooting happened some people kept bringing up the guy in Asia who stabbed 27 Kindergarteners. They all lived. That's the point, I think.


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But if the Kindergartners had concealed carry permits they'd have been safe.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Darkside wrote:
This is why I hate knives.
Knives cost Lives. That's my mantra.
The obviously need to be banned.

I support the 2nd amendment and people's rights to defend themselves but if there are zero deaths, we can reasonably assume it would have been far worse with a gun right?


Like back when the Newtown shooting happened some people kept bringing up the guy in Asia who stabbed 27 Kindergarteners. They all lived. That's the point, I think.

I suppose one could assume anything they wanted.
For instance I could assume that existing gun laws don't need to be strengthened because they likely prevented this kid from obtaining one. That's not necessarily true though.

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Darkside wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Darkside wrote:
This is why I hate knives.
Knives cost Lives. That's my mantra.
The obviously need to be banned.

I support the 2nd amendment and people's rights to defend themselves but if there are zero deaths, we can reasonably assume it would have been far worse with a gun right?


Like back when the Newtown shooting happened some people kept bringing up the guy in Asia who stabbed 27 Kindergarteners. They all lived. That's the point, I think.

I suppose one could assume anything they wanted.
For instance I could assume that existing gun laws don't need to be strengthened because they likely prevented this kid from obtaining one. That's not necessarily true though.



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Darkside wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Darkside wrote:
This is why I hate knives.
Knives cost Lives. That's my mantra.
The obviously need to be banned.

I support the 2nd amendment and people's rights to defend themselves but if there are zero deaths, we can reasonably assume it would have been far worse with a gun right?


Like back when the Newtown shooting happened some people kept bringing up the guy in Asia who stabbed 27 Kindergarteners. They all lived. That's the point, I think.

I suppose one could assume anything they wanted.
For instance I could assume that existing gun laws don't need to be strengthened because they likely prevented this kid from obtaining one. That's not necessarily true though.

Your assumption is a lot flimsier than mine. (and that's not even saying its false)


But if this kid had a gun, we'd almost certainly be dealing with some death.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Guns = Freedom. Just ask those motherfuckers in Kiev!

I agree on the need for the right to own one.

But what about Canada and Europe and these other countries? What is the argument against their gun situation?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Guns = Freedom. Just ask those motherfuckers in Kiev!

I agree on the need for the right to own one.

But what about Canada and Europe and these other countries? What is the argument against their gun situation?



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I think it is so easy to overlook the real issue and turn this into another gun rights debate. Metal health has been one of the biggest issues in our country that was ignored. What else is making these kids commit these acts? How long have they been ignored? As much as I'm not a fan Obamacare it does make an effort to address it in a meaningful way.

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I think it is so easy to overlook the real issue and turn this into another gun rights debate. Metal health has been one of the biggest issues in our country that was ignored. What else is making these kids commit these acts? How long have they been ignored? As much as I'm not a fan Obamacare it does make an effort to address it in a meaningful way.


Why can't both be addressed?

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Nas wrote:
I think it is so easy to overlook the real issue and turn this into another gun rights debate. Metal health has been one of the biggest issues in our country that was ignored. What else is making these kids commit these acts? How long have they been ignored? As much as I'm not a fan Obamacare it does make an effort to address it in a meaningful way.

Its pretty hard to stop these things from becoming about guns but I agree.


Its hard to see "getting serious about mental health"

Not saying it cant happen, its just very unprecedented


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Nas wrote:
I think it is so easy to overlook the real issue and turn this into another gun rights debate. Metal health has been one of the biggest issues in our country that was ignored. What else is making these kids commit these acts? How long have they been ignored? As much as I'm not a fan Obamacare it does make an effort to address it in a meaningful way.


Why can't both be addressed?


Because one dominates the debate and the real issue gets overlooked most of the time.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I think it is so easy to overlook the real issue and turn this into another gun rights debate. Metal health has been one of the biggest issues in our country that was ignored. What else is making these kids commit these acts? How long have they been ignored? As much as I'm not a fan Obamacare it does make an effort to address it in a meaningful way.


Why can't both be addressed?


Because one dominates the debate and the real issue gets overlooked most of the time.


That's unfair, imo. I think people are just tired of hearing about one and the other isn't nearly as polarizing.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Guns = Freedom. Just ask those motherfuckers in Kiev!

I agree on the need for the right to own one.

But what about Canada and Europe and these other countries? What is the argument against their gun situation?

What is the Canadian gun situation?

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This area of town is in no way poor and I would be surprised if this kid's parents didn't have access to insured mental health care. When it comes to kids the parents either don't care to watch closely or admit their kid needs treatment. Another angle is this kid being bullied. For all schools try now they do t catch all. And also kids don't always want to tell that shit at home. I have seen this.

Then a kid snaps and people go ??

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This area of town is in no way poor and I would be surprised if this kid's parents didn't have access to insured mental health care. When it comes to kids the parents either don't care to watch closely or admit their kid needs treatment. Another angle is this kid being bullied. For all schools try now they do t catch all. And also kids don't always want to tell that shit at home. I have seen this.

Then a kid snaps and people go ??

One of the parents in the article mentioned the kid had been bullied.

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One of the parents in the article mentioned the kid had been bullied.


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One of the parents in the article mentioned the kid had been bullied.


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This area of town is in no way poor and I would be surprised if this kid's parents didn't have access to insured mental health care. When it comes to kids the parents either don't care to watch closely or admit their kid needs treatment. Another angle is this kid being bullied. For all schools try now they do t catch all. And also kids don't always want to tell that shit at home. I have seen this.

Then a kid snaps and people go ??


A lot of times the parents are in denial even though it's clear to everyone else. IMO that's unfair to the kids. Even if bullying has been an issue it's something that should be dealt with and not laughed at or dismissed.

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