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Cubs 3B coach! Longtime lifer in the minors!

I don't know if they have just got lucky, but I have to love that he sends guys! Always feel it is a good play to send a guy if it going to be close as the defense needs a great throw and a good play by the catcher, even then it's a close play.

SEND EM!

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Cubs 3B coach! Longtime lifer in the minors!

I don't know if they have just got lucky, but I have to love that he sends guys! Always feel it is a good play to send a guy if it going to be close as the defense needs a great throw and a good play by the catcher, even then it's a close play.

SEND EM!

On that last Castro run they just got lucky that the catcher fucked up and blocked the plate. Castro shoulda been out by a mile.

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Meh, it took a pretty good throw with the pitcher coming up, good enough call.


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I tend to agree on 3B coaches being agressive but there are exceptions.
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Cubs 3B coach! Longtime lifer in the minors!

I don't know if they have just got lucky, but I have to love that he sends guys! Always feel it is a good play to send a guy if it going to be close as the defense needs a great throw and a good play by the catcher, even then it's a close play.

SEND EM!

On that last Castro run they just got lucky that the catcher fucked up and blocked the plate. Castro shoulda been out by a mile.


I don't know about by a mile, but it was a very good throw and if the catcher puts his glove out further in front of the plate, not right on the edge of the plate, maybe they get him.

didnt see if they confirmed it was due to blocking the plate, but the catcher was on his knees and on one bounce the ball got right to him and thats what I am talking about. It takes that throw to get the guy, and its a tough throw to make.

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"Wave 'em In Wendell" was not good.



Had a theory on Wendell, that he was so short, didnt see the whole field.

They also need speed to wave a guy in. I am not waving in Garry Gaetti at Age 40 rounding 3rd when the RF just got the ball.

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Had a theory on Wendell, that he was so short, didnt see the whole field.

:lol: :lol:
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Cubs 3B coach! Longtime lifer in the minors!

I don't know if they have just got lucky, but I have to love that he sends guys! Always feel it is a good play to send a guy if it going to be close as the defense needs a great throw and a good play by the catcher, even then it's a close play.

SEND EM!

On that last Castro run they just got lucky that the catcher fucked up and blocked the plate. Castro shoulda been out by a mile.


I don't know about by a mile, but it was a very good throw and if the catcher puts his glove out further in front of the plate, not right on the edge of the plate, maybe they get him.

didnt see if they confirmed it was due to blocking the plate, but the catcher was on his knees and on one bounce the ball got right to him and thats what I am talking about. It takes that throw to get the guy, and its a tough throw to make.

It was that new obstruction experimental rule. Castro was only safe because of that. If the same play happened last year Castro is out and it's an easy call.

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bigfan wrote:
Cubs 3B coach! Longtime lifer in the minors!

I don't know if they have just got lucky, but I have to love that he sends guys! Always feel it is a good play to send a guy if it going to be close as the defense needs a great throw and a good play by the catcher, even then it's a close play.

SEND EM!


Even better play when your team doesn't get many key hits.


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"Wave 'em In Wendell" was not good.



Had a theory on Wendell, that he was so short, didnt see the whole field.


TheoAndJed just found their newest Market Inefficiency! Meet third base coach Jon Rauch!

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Another nice night for Mr Jones!

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bigfan wrote:
Cubs 3B coach! Longtime lifer in the minors!

I don't know if they have just got lucky, but I have to love that he sends guys! Always feel it is a good play to send a guy if it going to be close as the defense needs a great throw and a good play by the catcher, even then it's a close play.

SEND EM!


I agree. Too many things have to happen perfectly for the defense. It's well worth the risk. Especially when scoring is down.

You know, we have just come out of an era where so much emphasis was put on offense and big-time slugging that I think defensive play and basic baseball fundamentals were given the short shuffle. I have no doubt that there are guys playing in the big leagues that have caught less fly balls by the time they get there than I did just from playing pick-up in the summers when I was a kid.

Hawk is always talking about how much more talented today's players are and that's probably true from top to bottom in the leagues. But the learned and practiced skills are not what they were in the 60s and 70s. All you have to do is watch the White Sox work a fucking rundown. My God! My friends and I could get a guy in a pickle out with two throws when we were eleven years old. And we knew enough not to chase the runner toward the next base. But then, we played "Running Bases" for hours on end every damn summer.

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Great thing about Running bases was you were in fact practicing a de facto run down drill without even knowing it. When it came to game time you've already done it so much you didn't even think about the run down, you just did what you've been doing for hours previous.

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Great thing about Running bases was you were in fact practicing a de facto run down drill without even knowing it. When it came to game time you've already done it so much you didn't even think about the run down, you just did what you've been doing for hours previous.


Exactly. And you can see that a lot of these big leaguers are thinking about stuff that should be second nature to them. There just aren't the repetitions that there used to be. I know IMU loves baseball as much as we do. Maybe he played Little League. But I'd be interested to know if he played Running Bases like we did. He probably couldn't find two or three other guys who wanted to do it.

It's like when you first learn to play guitar. You're concentrating on shaping the chords. It's tough to play a song when you're thinking about making shapes. Some of these guys are playing major league baseball and still doing the defensive equivalent of thinking about chord shapes. But they can all hit the baseball. Except Gordon Beckham. :lol: Seriously, this is stuff that should be second nature. Like my partner and I were talking about going to Confession and doing penance at lunch yesterday. I asked him if he ever actually said the Hail Marys and Our Fathers. He said he did so much penance he got to the point where he could say the Lord's Prayer in his head while playing a kick ass game of Super Mario. :lol: That's how easily guys should be able to handle a rundown.

And I don't think this is stuff that can be taught in the minors to guys who are 20 years old. It comes from constantly playing as a young kid. Sure, an organization like the Cardinals may have some better systems in place for the way they want things done, but I believe their real edge comes in player procurement. They draft and sign guys who know how to do all this shit. They don't have to teach them.

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Thanks JORR for mentioning "running bases". Spent a lot of time playing that or "pinners" if anybody knows what that was.

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Thanks JORR for mentioning "running bases". Spent a lot of time playing that or "pinners" if anybody knows what that was.

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Thanks JORR for mentioning "running bases". Spent a lot of time playing that or "pinners" if anybody knows what that was.


Yeah, Pinners!

And how about Fastpitch? In Evanston we sometimes called it "Strikeout".

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i was playing fast pitch up into my mid-twenties with a work buddy in Park Ridge....great times.

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Great thing about Running bases was you were in fact practicing a de facto run down drill without even knowing it. When it came to game time you've already done it so much you didn't even think about the run down, you just did what you've been doing for hours previous.


Exactly. And you can see that a lot of these big leaguers are thinking about stuff that should be second nature to them. There just aren't the repetitions that there used to be. I know IMU loves baseball as much as we do. Maybe he played Little League. But I'd be interested to know if he played Running Bases like we did. He probably couldn't find two or three other guys who wanted to do it.

It's like when you first learn to play guitar. You're concentrating on shaping the chords. It's tough to play a song when you're thinking about making shapes. Some of these guys are playing major league baseball and still doing the defensive equivalent of thinking about chord shapes. But they can all hit the baseball. Except Gordon Beckham. :lol: Seriously, this is stuff that should be second nature. Like my partner and I were talking about going to Confession and doing penance at lunch yesterday. I asked him if he ever actually said the Hail Marys and Our Fathers. He said he did so much penance he got to the point where he could say the Lord's Prayer in his head while playing a kick ass game of Super Mario. :lol: That's how easily guys should be able to handle a rundown.

And I don't think this is stuff that can be taught in the minors to guys who are 20 years old. It comes from constantly playing as a young kid. Sure, an organization like the Cardinals may have some better systems in place for the way they want things done, but I believe their real edge comes in player procurement. They draft and sign guys who know how to do all this shit. They don't have to teach them.

I'm the same age as IMU and I played Running Bases all the time.

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I think the preference to play video games instead of play outside is more of a post-2000 thing. When I was growing up in the summer there would be kids up and down the block outside playing running bases, smear the queer, shooting hoops, street hockey, etc. Nowadays I'll see maybe a 3-5 kids outside at any given time.

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I think the preference to play video games instead of play outside is more of a post-2000 thing. When I was growing up in the summer there would be kids up and down the block outside playing running bases, smear the queer, shooting hoops, street hockey, etc. Nowadays I'll see maybe a 3-5 kids outside at any given time.


smear the queer-never heard of it.

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I think the preference to play video games instead of play outside is more of a post-2000 thing. When I was growing up in the summer there would be kids up and down the block outside playing running bases, smear the queer, shooting hoops, street hockey, etc. Nowadays I'll see maybe a 3-5 kids outside at any given time.


smear the queer-never heard of it.

A kid starts with the football. Everyone else tries to tackle him. When he gets tackled he tosses the football several feet away. Everyone runs to get it. Whoever picks it up tries to not get tackled. Repeat as many times as necessary.

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I'm the same age as IMU

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I thought you were at least 32.

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I'm the same age as IMU

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I thought you were at least 32.

:lol: Everyone says that. I'm 27.

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I think the preference to play video games instead of play outside is more of a post-2000 thing. When I was growing up in the summer there would be kids up and down the block outside playing running bases, smear the queer, shooting hoops, street hockey, etc. Nowadays I'll see maybe a 3-5 kids outside at any given time.


smear the queer-never heard of it.


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Yeah, don't wanna sound like a pedophile or nothin' here, but it warms my heart to go running and see kids playing street hockey and stuff. I agree with FavreFan that my generation was kind of the last gasp for playing video games but still appreciating the real world enough to get out and go to a fucking park on a warm day. And don't get me wrong, video games can be really fun, but how can you live in this climate and not want to spend every possible moment outside after a shitty winter? It's these iPads, I tells ya. Seven-year-olds have them!

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Yeah, don't wanna sound like a pedophile or nothin' here, but it warms my heart to go running and see kids playing street hockey and stuff. I agree with FavreFan that my generation was kind of the last gasp for playing video games but still appreciating the real world enough to get out and go to a fucking park on a warm day. And don't get me wrong, video games can be really fun, but how can you live in this climate and not want to spend every possible moment outside after a shitty winter? It's these iPads, I tells ya. Seven-year-olds have them!


Couldn't agree more! I lived outside as a kid,from dawn until dark,playing all kind of sports except basketball. No hoops in my neighborhood.

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Yeah, don't wanna sound like a pedophile or nothin' here, but it warms my heart to go running and see kids playing street hockey and stuff. I agree with FavreFan that my generation was kind of the last gasp for playing video games but still appreciating the real world enough to get out and go to a fucking park on a warm day. And don't get me wrong, video games can be really fun, but how can you live in this climate and not want to spend every possible moment outside after a shitty winter? It's these iPads, I tells ya. Seven-year-olds have them!


Couldn't agree more! I lived outside as a kid,from dawn until dark,playing all kind of sports except basketball. No hoops in my neighborhood.


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