I don't think that's really 100% true. I can think of plenty of mass murders done with bombs and poisons... like I mentioned earlier, could McVeigh have killed over 180 with a gun? I doubt it.

Why are the vast majority of murders committed by women done with poisons or knives rather than firearms?

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I suppose everything depends on the kind of murderin' you want to accomplish and how dedicated you are to accomplishing that goal. If your intent is to set off what you think is the primer to a racial holy war by blowing up a government building, then by God you're going to load up a U-Haul truck with as much fertilizer as you can and blow that fucker to kingdom come.

If, however, you get cut off on the expressway and you don't have time to build a bomb, or take time off work so you can follow that asshole home and set his house on fire, you are going to use the most practical device for expressing exactly how angry you are at someone. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 7347.story

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Well, spiral we could just pick out events in which specific things happened all day. I was responding to the question of what was the easiest way to kill a room full of people or the easiest way to kill someone. I don't agree that a gun is "easiest". It could be, if that is what you happen to have in your hand at the time. You could also say that if you want to kill 100 people it's easier to do so with a bomb than a gun.

No two situations are the same. No way is always easier than the other.

I just don't think we can eliminate murder or violence with removing one method of inflicting violence. Someone dedicated to hurting people will do so. If a knife isn't available and a gun is, that's what they'll use. If a gun isn't available or practical for their means, they'll use a bomb or something else.

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I would just like to apologize to all for starting this thread, I should have know, Fuck!!!

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You should know better. Damnit Hawg. You bastard!

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I know, dammit!!!

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It bears out if you keep doing the mental gymnastics to create perfect mass stabbing scenarios. There's a reason in the real world 5x as many people are killed each year by guns than stabbings.

OK. I'm not saying it's not more popular. I'm just saying it's not always easier.
I'm really not sure what the point of this particular tangent is though. Are we saying that if shooting someone is easier then we need to eradicate guns?

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You were the first person to bring up gun laws in this thread. Everybody else reasonably just said they were glad the kid had a knife and not a gun and that no one died and were happy to leave the gun control BS alone.

But the majority of the time it is easier.

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I wasn't the first really. It came from a 2nd amendment comment rpb made.
But I was asking about the tangent of murder being easier with a gun than a knife.

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I guess I don't agree with that but it's really not important. One method of murder being easier than another isn't the problem. The problem is what brings someone to murder and or the massacre of innocents.

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For the love of God and all that is Hawger, I hope we can all agree on this.

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I don't think I'm being a pessimist when I say that that's a problem without a solution.

I know I probably come off as an anti-gun nut but I do understand the utility that a gun provides. If someone broke into my house and intended to harm me, I'd sure as shit want a gun to defend myself.

What drives me batty is the number of people who will not tolerate any discussion about guns, especially considering your point above.

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I agree. There are certainly things we can do better to reduce the number of violent crimes without infringing on the rights of non-violent people, but we're never gonna live in a society void of violence.

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You said yourself that there is a very real problem in that there are some people who want to kill other people. As soon as guns are mention in conjunction with the point above people start throwing their hands up in the air and saying, "what's the difference, if people want to kill there's nothing we can do to stop them". And of course that's true, but it's also true that at least a portion of those people would decide not to kill someone if they didn't have a gun.

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I think that's pure speculation. Plenty of people killing each other before the gun was invented.

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Of course that's correct, in theory. But in application, it's much more complicated. We've seen cities with the strictest gun control laws still have among the most gun-related deaths. Stricter gun control laws don't mean guns won't find their way into hands they theoretically don't belong, just as prohibition did little to curb drinking in this country. It just made it a much more dangerous activity for all of society. There are a lot of unintended and at times unquantifiable consequences to stricter gun control laws that people who want to simplify the discussion seem unwilling or unable to recognize.

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Maybe we could focus more on eliminating poverty and increasing awareness of mental health problems and less on pro-gun legislation.

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If anything, what I find most objectionable are NRA folks, whether spokesmen or lobbyists, campaigning against things like stricter background checks. Why wouldn't fair minded individuals agree to something like stricter background checks for weapons? They exploit the debate about rights to ensure more profits, and in doing so I think they're being irresponsible, to be kind. Mind you I don't think stricter background checks would have prevented some of the more recent atrocities, but who knows? It should be harder to purchase a semi automatic gun than it is to get a loan to finance a car purchase, for example. Law abiding, mentally healthy citizens should be able to purchase guns, but gun manufacturers shouldn't be able to sell them to just anyone.

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Manufacturers can't sell them to anybody. There are plenty of laws on the books. Would anymore do any good?

Throwing more paperwork at it is hiding your head in the sand.

how dare you, sir...

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Agreed. The NRA is disgusting. They're the ones who stifle any real debate. They don't give a shit about freedom. They care about profits.

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Why does Henry Rifles run commercials then?

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It lets us know someone didn't steal his password.

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