Yeah, that's about right. Burnett is a good pitcher.

If they offer 5 yrs 75 and he wants 5 years 90 i think they can make it work. With these tv contracts entering the picture will 15-18 per even be huge money towards the end of this deal?

I wish they could lock down shark at 5/75 and T Wood at 5/60.

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Makes sense. Burnett makes 15M.

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Ive obviously underestimated what the market should bear for a career .500 pitcher. If Burnett is the benchmark, ( whom Sammy will be lucky to be as good as / have the career that he has which is 12 over .500 in 16 years) then yeah I guess 4 or 5 years at 15 per is fair. Seems like thats a lot to pay for a 3rd starter when you still need a number 1 and 2.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Pitching is insane.

41 starting pitchers make 10 million per year and that doesnt include young guys (like Sale)who arent paid yet


http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/mlb/total/starting-pitcher/limit-100/

That's the way I see it. Payroll is low right now. Spend a little.

Isn't he under control for another 2 years anyway?

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Hmmm...I guess Sale DID have that one start where he didn't absolutely dominate.

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Actually he had 1 game in which he dominated and gave up no earned runs, the other 2 he allowed 3 ER in each, which is good but not dominate.

Jeffers, has allowed 0,1,2 runs in his respective starts.

I don't think it will continue, but TO DATE, Sale has not been the better pitcher.

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Sale has a much better WHIP, which I'm always told is a better measure than anything else.

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Fail, bigfan. Sale HAS been the better pitcher.

3-0 2.66 ERA 0.93 WHIP

0-1 1.29 ERA 1.05 WHIP

That is not to say that Samardjiza has been bad, but give me a 3-0 record with a 2.6 ERA in the AL 100% of the time over the numbers Samardjiza has put up so far in the NL.

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The really smart baseball guys do use Wins as a major indicator of how a guy has pitched, Frank is right again. I apologize. And .93 is Far Superior to 1.05 in the WHIP category.

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Sale has been far superior. Steve Stone was correct again!

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Bernstein knows not of which he speaks when it comes to baseball in general and its most pronounced when discussing advanced stats.

Partially misleading is a better way of saying it.

Wins are a situational stat and they should be redone as so. CGW, QGW, etc

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Actually yes, it is.

You don't think JORR is a really smart baseball guy?

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There are two Cy Young winners who will be FA in the next two seasons. Spend the money on them and sacrifice the draft picks. Even if they have to pay $25M+ yr to those guys, the payroll right now is ridiculously low.

Use Shark to replace those draft pick prospects in a trade. Resign Wood and fill out the rotation with Hendricks, Rusin, Johnson, Edwards, Arrieta.

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Runs that Cubs scored in Shark's starts: 0, 0 and 6 (Veras blowing a 3-1 save). Sale really earned that win going 5IP, 3ER Friday.

There's less than 5 guys on this board who know more about baseball than JORR. There might be none.

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We going to go down this road again?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

If Frank thinks Sale barely "outdueling" a fifth starter by doing the bare minimum then yes an education must commence.

How much do you think they will have to overpay for those two Cy Young's to convince them to join The(o) Plan versus, say, the Tigers who are a ready made contender with deep pockets?

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One pitcher is 3-0. However he got there, he is 3-0 with a 2.26 ERA.

bigfan erroneously stated that Sale has not been the better pitcher to date. I pointed out just how wrong he was.

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But it is funny to hear Cub fans on one hand say how Samardjiza has been the best pitcher in Chicago this year, and on the other say they don't want to pay him. I'm glad Hahn was smart enough to avoid any of this type of dilemma with Sale.

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Price will get $30M/yr, Scherezer will get $27.5M. Scherezer basically already told Detroit to go suck a dick, so shouldn't be a problem getting to put an offer on him. There aren't too many big market teams with loads of cash to spend.

Give me the guy who's giving up well over a run less per game at the expense of what amounts to one extra hit/walk.

Give me a sample size of more than three starts.

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Well obviously, but if we are gonna compare the two...

I'll take the guy who is pitching better than the guys he is facing.

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