And we have a winner!!

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you can have him

This argument is silly. How many of you take the Cubs pitcher over the Sox one in this case? One game or your number one in a seven game series? You have to and may only pick one.

Sale unless you are a goof.

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I'd take Sale over Samardzija.

Samardzija has performed better than Sale to start 2014.

Sale's team has performed better than Samardzija's team.

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But you thought he had a great year last year when he was well under .500 and your only concern was "however he got there" rather than the actual result. Nah, nah, nah, don't crap me now.

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And you can have the guy who is pitching worse.

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We do have him. And I think every Sox fan on the planet(all 83 of us) is happy about that.

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But I already said I didn't want him.

No Cubs fan in the thread prefers Shark over Sale. But given a 3 game sample, Shark has been the far superior pitcher

Shark Opponents: Liriano, Lee, Kelly
Sale Opponents: Nolasco, Shields, Carrasco

No doubt...he's a very good pitcher.

False.

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If only they were facing the same lineup (the disparity in runs per game for each team is larger than you let on)

And im not even getting into Samardzija vs Sale. That's silly.

But it's not. In fact, in most cases it's fractional. And since it isn't possible to score a fraction of a run, well...

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Right. Even by trolling standards, that statement is ridiculous. Depending on what stats you look at, you could make an argument for either player having the better season so far. They've been roughly equal.

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But, it is


Red Sox: 5.26

Miami: 3.16


This is why your whole premise on this is false. Your whole argument hinges on "most offenses are pretty much the same"

That is nowhere near true.

You cant score a fraction of a run doesnt really mean anything. Unless you think a 3.01 ERA and a 3.99 era are pretty much interchangeable (which they definitely arent)

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No trolling. The far superior reference went whoosh over Frank. Just as Abreu and Rizzo have had similar solid starts even though Stoney said Abreu is far superior you have Shark and Sale both starting the season great. It's just Shark has been a tad better.

What kind of strawman argument is that? How many times does a Red Sox starter face a Marlins starter in a season? And you know what? When the Marlins starter is Joes Fernandez, he's likely to be favored in the game.

It's not like Samardzija is going up against these giant offenses so much better than his own. All the teams he's faced and the Cubs are averaging about 4 runs per game.

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0-1 is not a tad bit better than than 3-0. He's been good, but 0-1 is not a tad bit better than than 3-0.

Stone said that eventually Abreu would be the far superior player vs Rizzo. It was not that outlandish a statement to make, but bigfan got all butt hurt and ran with it comparing their two stats right now. Steve Stone is apparently bigfan's new whipping boy this season.

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Matt Lindstrom earned a win yesterday.

Its not a strawman. You misrepresent the differences in offense. Im not talking about Samardzija vs Sale. I already said that's a dumb argument.

But your whole WINS thing hinges on anything < 1 run per game = meaningless.

If that's true than the 2.76 pitcher and the 3.75 pitcher are pretty much equal. That's just not true.

Run support is a real thing, JORR. It exists. Its why Red Sox and Yankee pitchers have higher win totals because they traditionally have great offenses and bullpens.

Also, being a Wrigley veteran you should know that the game can play differently at different times within the same game.

Anyway, we disagree on this. That's fine. I just want to point out for all the people touting wins that they should probably ignore E.RA.

Matt Lindstrom is not a starting pitcher.

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A closer is not a starter.

He lucked into the win after he blew the save as well.

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I believe it was you who told me once before on here that WHIP is a much better stat than ERA for determining how a pitcher performed over a span of time. Do I have that right?

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Absolutely.

But ERA is better than Wins.

That's apples and oranges. An offense cannot be judged over the space of a single game. Or even thirteen games. This White Sox team looks like the '27 Yankees right now and I really doubt they are that. If we're talking about a top pitcher, he should beat the better offense with the lesser pitcher. Or maybe he isn't really a top pitcher. Jose Fernandez is a top pitcher. That's why his team loses 100 games when he doesn't pitch but projects to win 100 when he does.

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Better for what?

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Sometimes I think this is the crux of the issue. Are people just comparing two players past accomplishments for the fun of internet banter? Or determining which deserves more money/years on the free market? I bet clearing that up would better define these arguments.