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i would own one NOW if i could. i must be racist.

The confederate flag doesnt bother you at all?


not one bit. and i know a bunch of black guys i went to school with over here in the QC that would line up to get a chance to ride in it with me.


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i would own one NOW if i could. i must be racist.

The confederate flag doesnt bother you at all?


not one bit. and i know a bunch of black guys i went to school with over here in the QC that would line up to get a chance to ride in it with me.

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Ok, I think I have this thing solved


Bubba Watson bought Tiger Woods old mansion and befriended Jameer Nelson


Do those sound like the actions of a racist man?


Yes....he asked Jameer if he could be his butler :shock:

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87.7 has been good all afternoon. No BS. Just relevant talk about sports.



I might have to join you there Denis.


He's not giving me much of a choice. I would like nothing more than for the B&B show to return to form. Unfortunately, it appears it's going to continue down it's current path.


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went to school in VA. take multiple trips down south for work. racism is so overblown in the south its unbelievable.

perpetuated by people like danny boy who has no idea what he's talking about.


My company is based in Virginia and I too have spent many many days and nights in VA as well as other Southern States. I couldn't agree with you more.


Certain parts of Virginia have very little in common with the majority of the Deep South, so this may have little to actually do with the conversation here. Certain parts are very, very Democratic. Enlightened even. Lets keep this an apples to apples discussion.

As for all of this "the Deep South isn't as racist" and/or as bigoted as Bernstein would have you believe, some of you all are far, far less correct in your positioning as you think you are. Some of you all seem to want to be as extremely wrong as he is, just on the opposite side of the fence.

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Northern Virginia is so devoid of character, it makes Schaumburg look like Rogers Park.

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Northern Virginia is so devoid of character, it makes Schaumburg look like Rogers Park.


Another place on the list that CH does not like. You're starting to sound like an elitist.

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Northern Virginia is so devoid of character, it makes Schaumburg look like Rogers Park.


Another place on the list that CH does not like. You're starting to sound like an elitist.

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As for all of this "the Deep South isn't as racist" and/or as bigoted as Bernstein would have you believe, some of you all are far, far less correct in your positioning as you think you are. Some of you all seem to want to be as extremely wrong as he is, just on the opposite side of the fence.

I'm a bit confused by this. You seem to be suggesting that Bernstein is indeed wrong in his position here. That's really all anyone who has contested his claim in this thread have said. So I don't see how it is possible to be just as wrong as him. It's either one or the other.

Nobody in this thread suggested that racism doesn't exist in the South. It exists in every state in this country.

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As for all of this "the Deep South isn't as racist" and/or as bigoted as Bernstein would have you believe, some of you all are far, far less correct in your positioning as you think you are. Some of you all seem to want to be as extremely wrong as he is, just on the opposite side of the fence.

I'm a bit confused by this. You seem to be suggesting that Bernstein is indeed wrong in his position here. That's really all anyone who has contested his claim in this thread have said. So I don't see how it is possible to be just as wrong as him. It's either one or the other.

Nobody in this thread suggested that racism doesn't exist in the South. It exists in every state in this country.

I believe Reader was trying to say some of you are as wrong on the other side of the fence as you think Bernstein is on his.

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RR - there are parts of the South that are certainly racist. But there are also parts that are not. Bernstein is categorizing the entire region, which would really piss me off if I were a Southerner who fought against discrimination.

I think what probably gets me the most about Bernstein is that he honestly thinks he and his enlightened Northern friends aren't racist. No racism is good, but I almost find the brand of racism that exists with "enlightened" people to be more disgusting. They discriminate in more subtle ways and then pat themselves on the back for being champions of inclusion. At least many in those pockets in the South are open about their ignorance and hatred. Maybe they are equally bad... I don't know. But Bernstein's kind just rubs me the wrong way.

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As for all of this "the Deep South isn't as racist" and/or as bigoted as Bernstein would have you believe, some of you all are far, far less correct in your positioning as you think you are. Some of you all seem to want to be as extremely wrong as he is, just on the opposite side of the fence.

I'm a bit confused by this. You seem to be suggesting that Bernstein is indeed wrong in his position here. That's really all anyone who has contested his claim in this thread have said. So I don't see how it is possible to be just as wrong as him. It's either one or the other.

Nobody in this thread suggested that racism doesn't exist in the South. It exists in every state in this country.

I believe Reader was trying to say some of you are as wrong on the other side of the fence as you think Bernstein is on his.

Right, but unless I'm missing something, that's impossible. There is no fence. The statement being contested is "The majority of people who are proud to be from the South are racist." Bernstein said and obviously believes it to be true. I believe it is false. We can't both be wrong.

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87.7 has been good all afternoon. No BS. Just relevant talk about sports.



I might have to join you there Denis.


He's not giving me much of a choice. I would like nothing more than for the B&B show to return to form. Unfortunately, it appears it's going to continue down it's current path.


This is what sucks. There was a time a few years ago when they could have done this "Bubba is racist" show and it would have been a funny. Now it is just full blown trolling.

I guess that's why I don't listen as much as I used to.

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Do you think anybody that would dislikes black people?

No, I'm just saying for me. I don't assume anyone who has something with the fig on it is racist but I get why some don't like it and they might get some shit for it


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i would own one NOW if i could. i must be racist.

The confederate flag doesnt bother you at all?


not one bit. and i know a bunch of black guys i went to school with over here in the QC that would line up to get a chance to ride in it with me.

How they gonna fit in a big wheel?


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All this confederate flag talk reminded me of this story from the early 90s.

Feelings Being Unfurled About School's Confederate Flag
April 12, 1993|By Jerry Shnay.

Nichole Palmer tried to turn off her feelings when she first saw her high school's flag, red with blue crossed bars, flying from the roof at Thornton Fractional South High School.

The banner-a Confederate flag-was more than a school symbol to her. It was a reminder of centuries of oppression and slavery.

But she was just a freshman in a huge high school, and one of only a few blacks in the student body.

"I didn't know what I could do with my little voice," said Palmer, now a senior. "So I decided not to dwell on it."

For two generations, many students at T.F. South in Lansing have taken pride in the flag. After all, with "South" in the school's name and Rebels as its teams nickname, it seemed only fitting to have the banner of the Confederacy as the school symbol.

As they gathered under the flag to chat and laugh after class, as they cheered it from the stands at football and basketball games, as they decorated homecoming floats with it, all it meant to them was school spirit. The history it represented was a history of sports victories.

Even today, with the flag under attack, many don't see a problem.

"Our flag doesn't represent slavery," insisted sophomore Steve Lewandowski, 15, who is white. "It's just a sign of our school."

But blacks like Palmer don't see it that way. To them, honoring the Confederate flag is like asking Jewish students to salute the Nazi swastika. And now, black parents protesting a symbol that they believe demeans their children have set off a storm over the flag.

High school nicknames and emblems are part of the web of everday life in almost any community, and many of them are not complimentary. In Hoopeston, you're a Cornjerker. In Freeport, there are Pretzels. Effingham loves its Flaming Hearts, Havana its Ducks, and Centralia its Orphans (girls teams are the Orphan Annies).

Yet even offensive symbols and mascots are hard to give up.

The wounds have not yet healed over a controversial decision last year by the school board to drop the Naperville Central High School nickname, Redskins.

Students objected, and residents went to court in a losing effort to keep the nickname. Last fall, the Redskins became the Redhawks.

"The students have taken to the name," said Supt. Donald Weber, "but some people still remain testy and say they will run against the school board in November."

It was just as hard, years ago, when Pekin High School was forced to give up its locally beloved but racist nickname of Chinks in favor of Dragons.

When T.F. South's Rebel flag was adopted, no one imagined it would one day be seen as offensive.

In 1958, the Thornton Fractional district was divided into North and South High Schools. At the time, when the school was entirely white, it seemed clever and historical to connect South High School with Rebels and a Confederate flag.

But times have changed. Four years ago, Palmer was one of only a few black students at T.F. South. Since then, black enrollment has increased to more than 8 percent.

Yet it's hard when you're a teenager to speak out against the whole school and criticize a symbol that everyone else cheers.

When Anthony Wills, 16, who is black, first saw the flag three years ago, he knew "there was a problem. But I learned to live with it. I thought, `I'm just one person. No one is going to give up their flag just for me.' "

So it was left to Ronnie and Renee Thompson of Lynwood, parents of two students, to protest March 16 at a school board meeting.

"I said I was personally offended by the flag," said Ronnie Thompson, who works for the Flossmoor Water Department. "I wanted the school to have some sensitivity to people of color."

The Thompsons said they were speaking "just for themselves" and did not reflect anyone else's opinions.

And the fact that the flag "had been up there all this time didn't make it right," he said.

"I never asked them to take down the flag," Thompson said. "I just wanted to voice an objection."

The objection touched off a controversy, becoming Page 1 material in local newspapers and from there spreading to 30 seconds of valuable air time on television news programs.

After the stories broke, there were reports of arguments in the school halls and rumors of fights outside the building. Principal James Spivey sent a letter to parents, assuring them the school was safe.

The flag was "not a basic educational issue," he wrote, and the question should be handled by the students.

"The issue is now in the open," said senior Michelle Suski, 18, one of the co-editors of Rebel Rouser, the school newspaper. "Everyone's feelings are now out in the open."

But students may not be left alone to make up their minds.

"I think a lot of alums living in town want to keep the flag," said Suski, who is white, "because it was here when they were in school."

To them, it represents the school's heritage. But some students are now seeing in it another view of the past.

"I knew (the) history," said white senior Dan Burk, 17, "but until now I never put two and two together."

One black student, Nicole Peoples, 15, said that some white students "didn't know anything about the flag's history and even asked me, `What does "Confederate" mean?' "

Palmer said she put together a display case during Black History Month in February, but there was no schoolwide recognition of the event.

The flag issue is far from resolved.

"I think that sooner or later, the flag will be taken down," said Michael Rice, 17, a yearbook editor who is white.

"It's one thing to argue against the flag if you have only 8 percent" black enrollment, he said. "But I think when it is 18 percent, it will be a different story. Something will have to be done."

And at least now, black students say, they no longer have to hide their feelings.

Junior Christina Thompson, 17 (no relation to the Thompsons who protested the banner), said she had "blacked out" the flag.

"Sure, I felt uncomfortable about it," she said, but she didn't want to say anything until now, when "everybody's talking about it."

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Do you think anybody that would dislikes black people?

No, I'm just saying for me. I don't assume anyone who has something with the fig on it is racist but I get why some don't like it and they might get some shit for it

I'm sure you heard about Kanye's "trying to take it back" thing with the confederate flag? What did you think about it? I thought it was a little interesting, sort of bizarre, but ultimately pretty stupid.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Do you think anybody that would dislikes black people?

No, I'm just saying for me. I don't assume anyone who has something with the fig on it is racist but I get why some don't like it and they might get some shit for it

I'm sure you heard about Kanye's "trying to take it back" thing with the confederate flag? What did you think about it? I thought it was a little interesting, sort of bizarre, but ultimately pretty stupid.

Yeah that just about sums up Kanye all right. Nicely put.

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northern va is basically like north illinois vs southern illinois. i went to school in LYNCHburg and lived in danville. pretty much "deep" south as you are going to get in va.

sure there were racists, but its nowhere near what people in the north make it out to be. my best friend is an engineer at john deere. he is a black guy from alabama. he laughs when people have this "IM SO GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO ESCAPE THAT PLACE" reaction when he tells them where he is from.


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Northern Virginia is so devoid of character, it makes Schaumburg look like Rogers Park.


I guess boring is good.

A 16-year-old boy who hoped to use a rap career to "get his family out of the hood" was killed when someone opened fire from a van as he walked in Rogers Park this morning.

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northern va is basically like north illinois vs southern illinois. i went to school in LYNCHburg and lived in danville. pretty much "deep" south as you are going to get in va.

sure there were racists, but its nowhere near what people in the north make it out to be. my best friend is an engineer at john deere. he is a black guy from alabama. he laughs when people have this "IM SO GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO ESCAPE THAT PLACE" reaction when he tells them where he is from.


Danville? My trips to VIR have taken me through there. Had a guy scream at me during a race while he smoked a corncob pipe. He was in the minority, though.


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The South has evolved about as much as Dan Bernstein. Jim Crow just ended in the 60s. That type of systemic and societal hatred doesn't just go away in 45-50 years. Sure, they're not hanging black people from trees anymore. The racism just went covert like it has been in the North for years.

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Northern Virginia is so devoid of character, it makes Schaumburg look like Rogers Park.


I guess boring is good.

A 16-year-old boy who hoped to use a rap career to "get his family out of the hood" was killed when someone opened fire from a van as he walked in Rogers Park this morning.

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Northern Virginia is so devoid of character, it makes Schaumburg look like Rogers Park.


I guess boring is good.

A 16-year-old boy who hoped to use a rap career to "get his family out of the hood" was killed when someone opened fire from a van as he walked in Rogers Park this morning.

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So he got what he deserved?

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87.7 has been good all afternoon. No BS. Just relevant talk about sports.


denisdman wrote:
I guess boring is good.
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87.7 has been good all afternoon. No BS. Just relevant talk about sports.


denisdman wrote:
I guess boring is good.
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Hey hey, context my friend. But way to chop those up!!!!

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