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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:15 am 
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I disgaree with you. He's the only guy that isn't swallowing the Theo/Ricketts con job hook, line, and sinker, and promoting the company line about "the Plan" and you resent him for that?

I resent him for being a useless lazy entitled prick. Here's a blogger putting in more effort into understanding and trying to educate fans on the Ricketts financial situation and thinking than Wittenmeyer has ever done:

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/03/19/the-chicago-cubs-financial-story-the-payroll-the-debt-and-the-syncing-of-baseball-and-business-plans/

It's extremely long and would likely be a 2-3 part story in a newspaper. Writing a story examining their financial situation, the reality, the possibilities, the plan requires effort. Wittenmeyer has none of that. Instead he's too busy crying the press box has hot dogs instead of prime rib.

That's on top of the pure bullshit he feeds listeners/reader. Last year he was trumpeting that what the Cubs as a big market team are doing is 1st of it's kind. Except the Mets are doing the exact same thing. Lazy dumbass. :lol:


You're kidding, right? I've read that piece before and it comes off as being straight out of the Cub PR department, which is exactly what I would expect from a fanboy blogger. And Wittenmyer doesn't have the "luxury" of prattling on about EBITDA for five paragraphs.

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You're kidding, right? I've read that piece before and it comes off as being
straight out of the Cub PR department, which is exactly what I would expect from a fanboy blogger. And Wittenmyer doesn't have the "luxury" of prattling on about EBITDA for five paragraphs.

Right, he's a fanboy blogger. But the effort and research that went into the piece was more than Wittenmeyer has ever done. I learned more from that piece than any crying Gordon has done. He could do the exact same as an offseason piece from his "objective" point of view. Gordon should have more in the know sources than a blogger from Ohio. He could put it online if the Sun-Times doesn't want to pay for the ink. BUT, that would require initiative, sourcing, consulting experts etc. The Cubs cat at least is trying to understand and piece together the situation. Wittenmeyer is too busy crying and whining.


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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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"Run support" is just another name for somebody else's ERA.

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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"Run support" is just another name for somebody else's ERA.

:| No


What do you mean, "no"? Of course it is.

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
spanky wrote:
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"Run support" is just another name for somebody else's ERA.

:| No


What do you mean, "no"? Of course it is.

Except that "run support" comes off of multiple pitchers and the runs can be un-earned and.......

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:26 am 
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Attacking an opposing player with a baseball bat is just a cultural difference that us Americans should work harder to understand.

Add pud to this guys resume next to fiction writer.



Got to say, he is one pissed off writer. He gets more pissed off each time I hear the guy.

It's actually turning into it's own story.

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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On M&H this morning his whole segment was complaining how the Cubs not spending money. The guy is still asshurt that his scout friends have to share a hotel room on the road or don't receive company cars anymore or something. Who the hell knows what's his issue. Last part though was typical Chicago beat writer garbage:

"Why haven't they started renovating the clubhouse?"
"Why haven't they installed the new batting cages?"
"Why haven't they started spending money on renovations not dependent on the rooftop situation settling?"

Well Gordon, you're a reporter! Get your lazy fucking ass working and find out! I bet it's really easy once you ask sources (if your lazy ass has any) as to the Ricketts/Bus Dev's reasons. Why the fuck are you asking Mully and Hanley these questions. Useless prick.


I was waiting for M&H to state the obvious...Ricketts wants to keep open the nuclear option of leaving Wrigley, and spending money on that stuff would reduce the weight behind the threat.

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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I was waiting for M&H to state the obvious...Ricketts wants to keep open the nuclear option of leaving Wrigley, and spending money on that stuff would reduce the weight behind the threat.

That would require intelligence and critical thinking from the 3 of them. As former beat guys M&H would rather commiserate with Wittenmeyer for the declining quality of press box spread than call bullshit on his verbal filth.


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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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spanky wrote:
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spanky wrote:
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"Run support" is just another name for somebody else's ERA.

:| No


What do you mean, "no"? Of course it is.

Except that "run support" comes off of multiple pitchers and the runs can be un-earned and.......


The fact that "our hero" (the great but unlucky pitcher whose team does not support him) happens to derive "run support" from the errors of fielders on the opposing team is hardly ammunition against my basic argument, but of course I will concede the factual correctness of that portion of your statement.

As far as the "run support" coming off multiple pitchers is concerned, well yeah, and all of those pitchers aren't Pedro Martinez. It should be evident that if Chris Sale faces Felix Hernandez and Sale is awarded the loss and Hernandez the win, that Hernandez received more "run support" than Sale. But that's really just another way of saying Hernandez pitched better in that game than Sale did. Teams don't face the likes of Hernandez (or Sale) every single day. There are a lot more Klubers and Saunders and Paulinos out there. And if you're consistently ending up on the losing side against that aggregation, maybe you aren't really as great as people are saying you are.

The other answer might be that your offense is so bad that it is handicapping you to some great degree, but in the vast majority of cases, a simple examination of the run scoring done by the vast majority of teams will illustrate that in the vast majority of instances a great disparity does not exit. In fact, in most games the difference is a fraction of a run. Are we saying that Great Pitcher A cannot allow a single run less than Mediocre Pitcher B when the difference between their respective teams' average offense per game is less than a full run?

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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Kirkwood wrote:
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I was waiting for M&H to state the obvious...Ricketts wants to keep open the nuclear option of leaving Wrigley, and spending money on that stuff would reduce the weight behind the threat.

That would require intelligence and critical thinking from the 3 of them. As former beat guys M&H would rather commiserate with Wittenmeyer for the declining quality of press box spread than call bullshit on his verbal filth.


I'll grant you that beat writers- and not just Wittenmyer- think they are entitled to some royal treatment from the teams they cover and they become resentful when they are not treated the way they believe they should be. That's due to long tradition going back to when the writers traveled with the teams on the train. But there was a quid pro quo to feasting on Champagne, steak, and lobster in the Bard's Room and having the best seat in the house, and that was that you didn't write shit the teams didn't want you to write. These modern guys should have enough sense to understand that.

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I was waiting for M&H to state the obvious...Ricketts wants to keep open the nuclear option of leaving Wrigley, and spending money on that stuff would reduce the weight behind the threat.

That would require intelligence and critical thinking from the 3 of them. As former beat guys M&H would rather commiserate with Wittenmeyer for the declining quality of press box spread than call bullshit on his verbal filth.


I'll grant you that beat writers- and not just Wittenmyer- think they are entitled to some royal treatment from the teams they cover and they become resentful when they are not treated the way they believe they should be. That's due to long tradition going back to when the writers traveled with the teams on the train. But there was a quid pro quo to feasting on Champagne, steak, and lobster in the Bard's Room and having the best seat in the house, and that was that you didn't write shit the teams didn't want you to write. These modern guys should have enough sense to understand that.


I think KC Johnson is the one guy that understands it. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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That, and the fact that there is Facebook, Twitter, internet, etc etc. so nobody has to wait until the paper prints to find things out about their favorite team.

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That, and the fact that there is Facebook, Twitter, internet, etc etc. so nobody has to wait until the paper prints to find things out about their favorite team.


True. The value of the beat writer is definitely less now than it has ever been.

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 Post subject: Re: Gordon Whitenmeyer
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No as well as the pitching has been excellent.


I don't know how you could think that. This is where advanced statistical analysis has taken us. To some strange idea that the game is played in component parts utterly unrelated to anything else occurring in the specific games. You're not going to open your paper and see scores like 13-8, 9-7, 10-5 constantly the way you did five or ten years ago. Games are going to be 4-2 or 3-1. And when you gave up 3 and scored zero or gave up 2 and scored zero again, your pitching wasn't good. That's baseball.

Fine whatever. There's plenty of other threads to rag on Theo. This is for Wittenmeyer's lazy shoddy work. For 2-3 years now he's been crying about the Ricketts without doing any research or work. He just makes generalizations and puts in the lightest effort to skate through his job. He's exhibit A of why print media is crashing. Entitled good ol boy writer who thinks shit should come on a platter for him since he has a press credential.


You have no way of knowing how hard Gordon does or doesn't work. Reporters seek answers but they don't always get them. At least Gordon isn't knob slobbering Ricketts & he has the balls to publicly criticize them for what has turned into an embarrassing PR disaster...not to mention the debt & financial difficulties that are plaguing the Ricketts.

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You have no way of knowing how hard Gordon does or doesn't work. Reporters seek answers but they don't always get them. At least Gordon isn't knob slobbering Ricketts & he has the balls to publicly criticize them for what has turned into an embarrassing PR disaster...not to mention the debt & financial difficulties that are plaguing the Ricketts.

Yes, I do. His work is displayed everyday in the Sun-Times and frequently on the Score. He's a spoiled brat. Everyone is fully aware of the issues. Get your journalistic ass moving and find who, what, when, why etc. Unfortunately for Gordon that shit requires effort and perseverance. Chicago beat guys rather go through the motions writing up the game story, nuggets column and get tomorrow's preview done. They seem to all have the Schuster "oh my gawd, we're going to extras! waaaaaa! waaaaa!"


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