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 Post subject: Re: Donald Sterling
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private comments recorded illegally.
yes offensive words but as mr cuban said its a slippery slope.
punishment is excessive.


This is not the judicial system. This is the NBA. Having an outed racist owner would be/is a huge problem for the league. The punishment fits the problem.



The lifetime ban yes. The forced sale and tax consequences and so on to people other than he is a reach.


Depends on how much money you think he cost the league. And how much you think his family name will cost the league.

If the league wanted to, they could just terminate the franchise and then re-establish a "new" one in LA. The Sterling's wouldn't get shit. They are doing him a favor by having him sell it.


I don't believe that is true.

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good dolphin wrote:
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This is not the judicial system. This is the NBA. Having an outed racist owner would be/is a huge problem for the league. The punishment fits the problem.



The lifetime ban yes. The forced sale and tax consequences and so on to people other than he is a reach.


Depends on how much money you think he cost the league. And how much you think his family name will cost the league.

If the league wanted to, they could just terminate the franchise and then re-establish a "new" one in LA. The Sterling's wouldn't get shit. They are doing him a favor by having him sell it.


I don't believe that is true.


http://www.chatsports.com/los-angeles-clippers/a/The-NBA-Can-Terminate-The-Clippers-Donald-Sterlings-Ownership-10-62-135

With reports surfacing that the NBA has no actual power to remove Donald Sterling from his post as Los Angeles Clippers owner in the wake of racist comments attributed to him by TMZ Sports, Lester Munson of ESPN.com says the “constitution” which “governs the 30 owners of NBA teams and establishes the authority of the owners’ commissioner” proves otherwise.

“Under the terms of Paragraph 13 of the constitution, the owners can terminate another owner’s franchise with a vote of three-fourths of the NBA Board of Governors, which is composed of all 30 owners. The power to terminate is limited to things like gambling and fraud in the application for ownership, but it also includes a provision for termination when an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely,” writes Munson in an article posted on Monday afternoon.

“Silver and the owners could assert that Sterling’s statements violated the constitution’s requirements to conduct business on a “reasonable” and “ethical” level.”

Munson went on to assert that “any owner or Silver can initiate the termination procedure with a written charge describing the violation,” and Donald Sterling would have five days to respond to the charges via writing.

Munson admits that to “terminate” the Los Angeles Clippers may be a last resort, but it could give the NBA a solid amount of leverage if they decide they want to oust the embattled owner in the wake of their investigation.
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I don't see why it would be a "forced" sale. Same as if the dude keeled over or something. Current management can stay in place. NBA exec committee can approve budget or whatever in a way that maximizes team value.

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Maybe Silver will force sale to V Stiviano or whatever that woman's name is.


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The lifetime ban yes. The forced sale and tax consequences and so on to people other than he is a reach.


Depends on how much money you think he cost the league. And how much you think his family name will cost the league.

If the league wanted to, they could just terminate the franchise and then re-establish a "new" one in LA. The Sterling's wouldn't get shit. They are doing him a favor by having him sell it.


I don't believe that is true.


http://www.chatsports.com/los-angeles-clippers/a/The-NBA-Can-Terminate-The-Clippers-Donald-Sterlings-Ownership-10-62-135

With reports surfacing that the NBA has no actual power to remove Donald Sterling from his post as Los Angeles Clippers owner in the wake of racist comments attributed to him by TMZ Sports, Lester Munson of ESPN.com says the “constitution” which “governs the 30 owners of NBA teams and establishes the authority of the owners’ commissioner” proves otherwise.

“Under the terms of Paragraph 13 of the constitution, the owners can terminate another owner’s franchise with a vote of three-fourths of the NBA Board of Governors, which is composed of all 30 owners. The power to terminate is limited to things like gambling and fraud in the application for ownership, but it also includes a provision for termination when an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely,” writes Munson in an article posted on Monday afternoon.

“Silver and the owners could assert that Sterling’s statements violated the constitution’s requirements to conduct business on a “reasonable” and “ethical” level.”

Munson went on to assert that “any owner or Silver can initiate the termination procedure with a written charge describing the violation,” and Donald Sterling would have five days to respond to the charges via writing.

Munson admits that to “terminate” the Los Angeles Clippers may be a last resort, but it could give the NBA a solid amount of leverage if they decide they want to oust the embattled owner in the wake of their investigation.


Are you trying to prove me correct? What you researched does not support what you wrote.

Even Lester knows he is just making conversation.

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Are you trying to prove me correct? What you researched does not support what you wrote.

Even Lester knows he is just making conversation.


You said its not true. It is true. Plain as day:

but it also includes a provision for termination when an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely


I would say this affected the NBA and other owners adversely. Therefore, grounds for termination.
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Not sure many of know what kind of guy Sterling is, these types of guys just dont listen to anyone, they have an army of Lawyers on call. he will not sell this team. It's not about the money now. The other owners can vote whatever they want, this guy will not comply with anything they agree on.

And a ton of this is on Reinsdorf to broker this resolution. No, not formally, but if there is someone who can talk to Sterling it is him. Sterling is going to put Jerry in a place that he will need to vote against him and force him out. even then, that mess will take years.

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:lol: :lol: It always comes back to Jerry.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
:lol: :lol: It always comes back to Jerry.


Showing the IQ again today Frank.

Reinsdorf is his longtime friend and maybe the only person Sterling might listen to.

But you keep doing what you do.

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:lol: :lol: It always comes back to Jerry.


Showing the IQ again today Frank.

Reinsdorf is his longtime friend and maybe the only person Sterling might listen to.

But you keep doing what you do.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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:lol: :lol: It always comes back to Jerry.


Showing the IQ again today Frank.

Reinsdorf is his longtime friend and maybe the only person Sterling might listen to.

But you keep doing what you do.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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Are you trying to prove me correct? What you researched does not support what you wrote.

Even Lester knows he is just making conversation.


You said its not true. It is true. Plain as day:

but it also includes a provision for termination when an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely


I would say this affected the NBA and other owners adversely. Therefore, grounds for termination.


You would say?

I would say that clause is there for extreme economic affect given the language surrounding it unless you feel there is some verbal contract to not be a bad guy. Like I said, Lester is just throwing a bunch of stuff together for conversation.

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Not sure many of know what kind of guy Sterling is, these types of guys just dont listen to anyone, they have an army of Lawyers on call. he will not sell this team. It's not about the money now. The other owners can vote whatever they want, this guy will not comply with anything they agree on.

And a ton of this is on Reinsdorf to broker this resolution. No, not formally, but if there is someone who can talk to Sterling it is him. Sterling is going to put Jerry in a place that he will need to vote against him and force him out. even then, that mess will take years.


I would say the more likely thing would be for them to vote that the team be put into a trust managed by the league with Sterling as the beneficiary, but even that isn't likely.

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:lol: :lol: It always comes back to Jerry.


Showing the IQ again today Frank.

Reinsdorf is his longtime friend and maybe the only person Sterling might listen to.

But you keep doing what you do.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Not sure many of know what kind of guy Sterling is, these types of guys just dont listen to anyone, they have an army of Lawyers on call. he will not sell this team. It's not about the money now. The other owners can vote whatever they want, this guy will not comply with anything they agree on.

And a ton of this is on Reinsdorf to broker this resolution. No, not formally, but if there is someone who can talk to Sterling it is him. Sterling is going to put Jerry in a place that he will need to vote against him and force him out. even then, that mess will take years.


I would say the more likely thing would be for them to vote that the team be put into a trust managed by the league with Sterling as the beneficiary, but even that isn't likely.


Jerry has advised this guy on some big deals, they have history. I don't think anything will be easy with Tokowitz, but Jerry ahs the best shot at getting something done. It's not Reinsdorf's responsibilty either, but his roll in this helps make it the least painful for all sides.

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good dolphin wrote:

You would say?

I would say that clause is there for extreme economic affect given the language surrounding it unless you feel there is some verbal contract to not be a bad guy. Like I said, Lester is just throwing a bunch of stuff together for conversation.


You would say?

So you wouldn't say that fucking up the playoffs, Losing team and league fanbase, Losing ticket sales for Clippers and away games, losing advertising and licensing fees on Clippers stuff, more than likely tilting the competition in the league since no one will not want to play for that franchise, getting the league painted as a league run by racists, ect. would be an extreme economic affect?
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And you just automatically assume that Jerry is ready, willing, and able to get involved in such a mess?

You're the one with the IQ on display here, biggie.

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And you just automatically assume that Jerry is ready, willing, and able to get involved in such a mess?

You're the one with the IQ on display here, biggie.


OK Frank, any other thoughts?

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And you just automatically assume that Jerry is ready, willing, and able to get involved in such a mess?

You're the one with the IQ on display here, biggie.

One of his Sterling's better friends in an exclusive club of 30? A guy whose loyalty is reknown? Ummmmmmm, yes?
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You would say?

I would say that clause is there for extreme economic affect given the language surrounding it unless you feel there is some verbal contract to not be a bad guy. Like I said, Lester is just throwing a bunch of stuff together for conversation.


You would say?

So you wouldn't say that fucking up the playoffs, Losing team and league fanbase, Losing ticket sales for Clippers and away games, losing advertising and licensing fees on Clippers stuff, more than likely tilting the competition in the league since no one will not want to play for that franchise, getting the league painted as a league run by racists, ect. would be an extreme economic affect?


Speculative losses and a drop in the bucket even if all could be proven. More to the point when they say contractual obligation they are not talking about some ambiguous, unwritten agreement. See, Lester is bullshitting because there are three parts to that: 1. a contract; 2. failure to fulfill; and, 3. adverse affect...and there is no number 1.

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There was a time that Sterling didnt give a shit about the team. They lost money, they didnt try, they just didnt care.

He kept the team for his own amusement.

Thats when they could have enacted some of these clauses.

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There was a time that Sterling didnt give a shit about the team. They lost money, they didnt try, they just didnt care.

He kept the team for his own amusement.


That's probably why so many owners liked him. He sat on a goldmine and didn't do anything with it. Keep the status quo, don't raise expenses for everyone else. Conversely, that's why they don't like Cuban.

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There was a time that Sterling didnt give a shit about the team. They lost money, they didnt try, they just didnt care.

He kept the team for his own amusement.


That's probably why so many owners liked him. He sat on a goldmine and didn't do anything with it. Keep the status quo, don't raise expenses for everyone else. Conversely, that's why they don't like Cuban.


He didn't challenge one of the two premiere team's in the league but still captured additional west coast market. He was good for them.

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:

You would say?

I would say that clause is there for extreme economic affect given the language surrounding it unless you feel there is some verbal contract to not be a bad guy. Like I said, Lester is just throwing a bunch of stuff together for conversation.


You would say?

So you wouldn't say that fucking up the playoffs, Losing team and league fanbase, Losing ticket sales for Clippers and away games, losing advertising and licensing fees on Clippers stuff, more than likely tilting the competition in the league since no one will not want to play for that franchise, getting the league painted as a league run by racists, ect. would be an extreme economic affect?


Speculative losses and a drop in the bucket even if all could be proven. More to the point when they say contractual obligation they are not talking about some ambiguous, unwritten agreement. See, Lester is bullshitting because there are three parts to that: 1. a contract; 2. failure to fulfill; and, 3. adverse affect...and there is no number 1.


There is a number 1 - The owners constitution which he agreed to. That is a binding agreement between the owners.
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:

You would say?

I would say that clause is there for extreme economic affect given the language surrounding it unless you feel there is some verbal contract to not be a bad guy. Like I said, Lester is just throwing a bunch of stuff together for conversation.


You would say?

So you wouldn't say that fucking up the playoffs, Losing team and league fanbase, Losing ticket sales for Clippers and away games, losing advertising and licensing fees on Clippers stuff, more than likely tilting the competition in the league since no one will not want to play for that franchise, getting the league painted as a league run by racists, ect. would be an extreme economic affect?


Speculative losses and a drop in the bucket even if all could be proven. More to the point when they say contractual obligation they are not talking about some ambiguous, unwritten agreement. See, Lester is bullshitting because there are three parts to that: 1. a contract; 2. failure to fulfill; and, 3. adverse affect...and there is no number 1.


There is a number 1 - The owners constitution which he agreed to. That is a binding agreement between the owners.


which references, gambling, fraud and contractual obligations as the basis to even initiate the move

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And you just automatically assume that Jerry is ready, willing, and able to get involved in such a mess?

You're the one with the IQ on display here, biggie.

One of his Sterling's better friends in an exclusive club of 30? A guy whose loyalty is reknown? Ummmmmmm, yes?
Well, maybe. After all, bigfan knows him best. He sure doesn't sound like a guy who is ready to jump right in and help is friend out though does he?

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We completely support Commissioner Silver’s decision today regarding Clippers owner Donald Sterling, and praise him for his prompt investigation and action. The Commissioner was correct to ban Mr. Sterling from all official NBA business, to levy the stiffest allowable fine, and we will support his recommendation to press for Mr. Sterling to relinquish his ownership of the Los Angeles Clippers franchise. We believe Commissioner Silver’s decision reflects the best interests of the NBA and public civility.

The league’s decision underscores the severity and reprehensible nature of the comments attributed to Donald Sterling. These comments in no way reflect the attitude, values, and culture of the Bulls and White Sox organizations. This behavior cannot be tolerated in any form.

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Frank when you can seperate your hardon for me and common sense, then you join the conversation with the adults.

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So you think its good common sense for Reinsdorf to "broker this resolution" and get himself involved with this mess even if would likely hurt his other interests? You don't think TMZ or a site like it wouldn't print a story that would end up with a headline something like "White Sox Owner Supports Sterling"? You've said yourself many times that he is a great business man. How would him brokering this resolution be a good business move?

Since you're so smart and all, let's hear it.

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