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So you think its good common sense for Reinsdorf to "broker this resolution" and get himself involved with this mess even if would likely hurt his other interests? You don't think TMZ or a site like it wouldn't print a story that would end up with a headline something like "White Sox Owner Supports Sterling"? You've said yourself many times that he is a great business man. How would him brokering this resolution be a good business move?

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So you think its good common sense for Reinsdorf to "broker this resolution" and get himself involved with this mess even if would likely hurt his other interests? You don't think TMZ or a site like it wouldn't print a story that would end up with a headline something like "White Sox Owner Supports Sterling"? You've said yourself many times that he is a great business man. How would him brokering this resolution be a good business move?

Since you're so smart and all, let's hear it.


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Sterling is an idiot, but this whole situation is crazy. Slippery slope indeed.

I think Jason Whitlock's article about it is very good.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857 ... ur-culture

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In our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling -- a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy -- from villain to martyr.

In a society filled with impurities, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers committed the crime of speaking impure thoughts in the privacy of a duplex he apparently provided for his mistress. And now an angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence.

When private conversations become public, it's important to react with logic and not emotion.
On Tuesday, just 72 hours after the release of Sterling's Pillow Talk Tapes by TMZ, a rookie commissioner imposed a lifetime ban on a flawed man whose rights were violated.

Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.

Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing. It sets a precedent that will likely boomerang and harm the black players and coaches who are shocked and outraged that an 80-year-old man with a documented history of bigoted actions also has bigoted private thoughts.

Let's be careful here. From the owner's box to the locker room, professional sports are overrun with wealthy men in complicated, volatile sexual relationships. If TMZ plans to make "pillow talk" public and the standard is set that "pillow talk" is actionable, it won't be long before a parade of athletes joins Sterling on Ignorance Island.

A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. What happens when a disgruntled lover gives TMZ a tape of a millionaire athlete expressing a homophobic or anti-Semitic or anti-white perspective?

Warriors coach Mark Jackson, who called for Clippers fans to boycott Game 5, seems quite vulnerable to mob rule. Jackson is super-religious. He's previously been extorted by a stripper he kept as a mistress. And some of the LGBT community views Jackson as homophobic.

The conversation revolving around Donald Sterling is unsophisticated, and so was the heavy-handed punishment. They're driven by emotion rather than logic. It does not serve the greater good of the offended black community. Sterling is a scapegoat. He is an easy target, a decoy so that we do not address the elephant he walked into his mistress' bedroom.

"We don't evaluate what's right and wrong," Sterling is heard telling his black-and-Latina mistress when she asked if it was right to treat black as less than white. "We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture."

Sterling adheres to a pervasive culture, the hierarchy established by global white supremacy.

"I don't want to change the culture because I can't," Sterling says. "It's too big."

This was Sterling's one moment of clarity. The culture of white supremacy created Donald Sterling. He did not create the culture.

Donald Sterling is only a symptom of a larger problem that needs to be addressed.
Much of what Sterling said on the tape is a rambling mess that can be interpreted many ways by sophisticated, mature and objective ears. To my ears, he doesn't care that his mistress has black friends. He doesn't care if she has sexual relationships with black men. He's married. They're not in a monogamous relationship. He simply does not want her extracurricular activities, particularly when they might involve black men, flaunted at his basketball games or all over Instagram.

This conversation, while grotesque and abhorrent, is not remotely unique or limited to old white men. My father was hood-rich, good looking and a playa who enjoyed the company of a younger, kept woman. Many of his friends had similar tastes. Their private conversations about dating could sound every bit as abhorrent and grotesque as Sterling's. I've heard young black men and women engage in equally grotesque and abhorrent private conversations, particularly when their feelings are hurt or they feel betrayed.

No. The substantive meat of Sterling's Sex, Lies and Audiotape is his point about the culture that created his worldview. He is adhering to the standards of his peer group. He is adhering to the standards of the world he lives in. It's a world inhabited by all of us. It's a culture that shapes everyone's worldview on some level. It fuels the black self-hatred at the core of commercialized hip-hop culture, and is at the root of the NAACP's initial plan to twice honor an unrepentant bigot with a lifetime achievement award.

White-supremacy culture is created, maintained and run by rich white men, Sterling's peers. He is the longest-tenured owner in the NBA. Former commissioner David Stern had multiple opportunities to run Sterling out of the league for his bigoted actions. Sterling's peers have always protected him ... until he had the audacity and stupidity to be caught on tape explaining the culture they maintain.

It's comical to watch the well-intentioned mob circle around Sterling as if his unintended transparency says nothing about his peer group. It's equally comical seeing this issue framed as a "black issue," with black people running to suggest ways to clean up Sterling's mess.

White people should be wearing black socks, turning their T-shirts inside out, protesting outside the Staples Center. This is their culture, their Frankenstein. Or maybe they agree with Donald T. Sterling.

"I don't want to change the culture because I can't. It's too big."

It's also too beneficial. It's too comfortable.

Well-intentioned white people should be holding nationally televised panel discussions focusing on ways to lessen the damaging impact of white-supremacy culture. Well-intentioned white people who work within or support the NBA should be demanding that the NBA power structure cede some of its governing power to men and women who look like the overwhelming majority of the league's players.

Instead, the mainstream fanned the flames, enraging the angry black mob looking for a quick solution, a sacrificial lamb -- and now, by the end of the week, we'll be back to business as usual, pretending the stoning of Sterling harmed the culture that created him.

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 Post subject: Re: Donald Sterling
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So you think its good common sense for Reinsdorf to "broker this resolution" and get himself involved with this mess even if would likely hurt his other interests? You don't think TMZ or a site like it wouldn't print a story that would end up with a headline something like "White Sox Owner Supports Sterling"? You've said yourself many times that he is a great business man. How would him brokering this resolution be a good business move?

Since you're so smart and all, let's hear it.

Behind the scenes? Hush hush? Just saying of all the people who Sterling would listen to I think Reinsdorf would be the guy. No interests would be hurt. Jerry would be celebrated for getting Sterling to go away or sell. Then Reinsdorf counts his money as da Boo appreciate further when Clips sell for over a billion.


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 Post subject: Re: Donald Sterling
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 Post subject: Re: Donald Sterling
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"Slippery Slope" is way overused as a meaningful point of debate ... wherein, in fact, it's generally more a point of fallacy.

Slippery Slope presumes to know the thinking and subsequent reactions of everyone involved in a future event, even though we don't know what that event is, what context it will take place in, or who 'everyone involved' will be. Bad start.

We then also don't know when this next event down that Slippery Slope will take place. Tomorrow. Next Year. 20 Years from now. You can guess, but you don't know. Still bad, getting worse.

Then we get back to the problem that, most of the time, Slippery Slope is invoked by people not involved in any way, shape, or form in the current event, and likely (in turn) won't have anything to do with the following event down that Slippery Slope. I don't know how much worse this 'debate' point can get.

That's a lie, yes i do ... Slippery Slope also presumes that not only is this current decision wrong (but nobody has any specifics as to how it's actually, demonstrably, concretely, explicitly wrong - let alone how a better one can be arrived at, handled, explained, etc.), but that every decision following in its wake that has the remotest connection to this one will be tainted, so on and so forth ad inifinitum. Why again is Slippery Slope being invoked as intelligent?

Now ... It's one thing to say one thinks the reaction is just a bit much, particularly in the context that nobody (a) gave a fuck for the last 30 years or so, and (b) gave a fuck until it threatened their pocketbooks (does anyone carry a pocketbook anymore?).

But to say "oh we're heading down a slippery slope by telling this fuckhole he can't own a basketball team anymore" as though there's some intelligent and cautionary lesson to be learned by invoking the Slippery Slope fallacy is as dumb as just about any B&B caller.

So much for that idiocy. Now on to Whitlock's hacky dreck.

Mob Mentality? Huh ... I didn't know 30 people was necessarily a mob ... certainly not in light of hundreds of millions of fans that themselves have little - if anything - to do with what's actually happening. NBA 'brass' are making these decisions, helped by sponsors and a handful of NBA players. You, me, Whitlock, and anyone else that wishes to offer an opinion on the matter might as well wipe our respective asses with said opinions for all the real impact they actually have.

Far more galling to me - to invoke "privacy" in this instance is to be completely tone deaf to the contemporary discussion about 'privacy', and frankly I think Whitlock only wrote that because he's too stupid to realize Kareem's point makes him sound considerably more like Joe in Evanston rather than, say, Dick Gregory.

The rest of Whitlock's typical rambling bullshit, were it written under the name "Fred Smith" on some blog, would be largely ignored, except to possibly be lampooned by a few dozen other netizens as "look what this nameless whacko wrote".

Lastly, and perhaps not quite so incidentally, I should like to inquire as to exactly what Whitlock has ever done to lessen the effects of racism, particularly in light of his trying to speak authoritatively on the matter.

Whitlock and his sorry-assed attempt to speak ex cathedra is about as embarrassing as Sterling's personal beliefs are offensive.

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Why do people keep repeating this? What makes anyone think it was recorded illegally?

Definitely could have been...but I'm not sure how people are stating it as fact.

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I heard he had her record their conversations in case he forgot what he had told her.


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The old conspiracy theory: Recordings...Magic....uproar.....Magic buys Clippers .....makes you go mmmmmmmm :lol: Plus lets retest this Fatass Black (Black is replacing the N word) for HIV :shock:

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The old conspiracy theory: Recordings...Magic....uproar.....Magic buys Clippers .....makes you go mmmmmmmm :lol: Plus lets retest this Fatass Black (Black is replacing the N word) for HIV :shock:

Walt, are you OK?

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The old conspiracy theory: Recordings...Magic....uproar.....Magic buys Clippers .....makes you go mmmmmmmm :lol: Plus lets retest this Fatass Black (Black is replacing the N word) for HIV :shock:

Walt, are you OK?

You seem a little off the last couple days

The last couple days?

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private comments recorded illegally.

Why do people keep repeating this? What makes anyone think it was recorded illegally?

Definitely could have been...but I'm not sure how people are stating it as fact.


Because they have a clear understanding of the law. In California, it is illegal to record a conversation unless the other person knows that the conversation is going to be recorded and is okay with it.

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private comments recorded illegally.

Why do people keep repeating this? What makes anyone think it was recorded illegally?

Definitely could have been...but I'm not sure how people are stating it as fact.


Because they have a clear understanding of the law. In California, it is illegal to record a conversation unless the other person knows that the conversation is going to be recorded and is okay with it.


Except, HE KNEW HE WAS BEING RECORDED!


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private comments recorded illegally.

Why do people keep repeating this? What makes anyone think it was recorded illegally?

Definitely could have been...but I'm not sure how people are stating it as fact.


Because they have a clear understanding of the law. In California, it is illegal to record a conversation unless the other person knows that the conversation is going to be recorded and is okay with it.


Except, HE KNEW HE WAS BEING RECORDED!


:lol: :lol:

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Gotta figure Walt's a Hegewisch guy, no?


Two for you as well ... :lol: :lol:

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The old conspiracy theory: Recordings...Magic....uproar.....Magic buys Clippers .....makes you go mmmmmmmm :lol: Plus lets retest this Fatass Black (Black is replacing the N word) for HIV :shock:

Walt, are you OK?

You seem a little off the last couple days



Just so caught up in the Bulls playoff run :shock:

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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private comments recorded illegally.

Why do people keep repeating this? What makes anyone think it was recorded illegally?

Definitely could have been...but I'm not sure how people are stating it as fact.


Because they have a clear understanding of the law. In California, it is illegal to record a conversation unless the other person knows that the conversation is going to be recorded and is okay with it.


Except, HE KNEW HE WAS BEING RECORDED!

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Because they have a clear understanding of the law. In California, it is illegal to record a conversation unless the other person knows that the conversation is going to be recorded and is okay with it.
The NBA is not the justice system, occifer. He's not going to jail. He's being punished by the NBA which has every right to do exactly what they did yesterday.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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hiram wrote:
private comments recorded illegally.

Why do people keep repeating this? What makes anyone think it was recorded illegally?

Definitely could have been...but I'm not sure how people are stating it as fact.


Because they have a clear understanding of the law. In California, it is illegal to record a conversation unless the other person knows that the conversation is going to be recorded and is okay with it.


Except, HE KNEW HE WAS BEING RECORDED!


isnt that according to the mistress skank only? I doubt sterling authorized those recordings.... she is trash for setting him up and recording all of these conversations.... but what sterling said is how he views the world... the legality of the recordings doesnt matter here


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isnt that according to the mistress skank only? I doubt sterling authorized those recordings.... she is trash for setting him up and recording all of these conversations.... but what sterling said is how he views the world... the legality of the recordings doesnt matter here

I understand not taking her at her word, but it sounds like he knew. Guy had an archivist and tried to get her to sing a confidentiality agreement about the tape



Donald Sterling was AWARE he was being taped during the conversation that was posted on TMZ
Sports, in which the L.A. Clippers owner went on a racial rant ... so claims the woman who taped him.

A source connected with V. Stiviano tells TMZ Sports ... the full conversation lasted approximately 1 hour. We're told Stiviano insists it was clear to Sterling at the beginning of the conversation he was being recorded.
What's more ... our sources say Stiviano routinely recorded her conversations with Sterling as HIS "archivist." And what's more ... she would regularly play the tapes back to him because he would often forget what he had said.

Our sources say sometime after the tape was recorded on April 9 ... Stiviano and Sterling got in an argument because he wanted her to sign a confidentiality agreement ... which she would not. We're told he then denied ever making the racist statements on the tape, so she played the entire tape for back him ... before it was ever posted on TMZ Sports.

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Because they have a clear understanding of the law. In California, it is illegal to record a conversation unless the other person knows that the conversation is going to be recorded and is okay with it.
The NBA is not the justice system, occifer. He's not going to jail. He's being punished by the NBA which has every right to do exactly what they did yesterday.


That's all true. My comment was only in response to immessedup's question about why people opined that the recording was illegal. Yes, the NBA can vote (if they get a 75% owner vote) to force Sterling to sell. That seems likely to happen. However, the whole thing is a ridiculous response by the NBA to a private conversation. Sterling didn't suggest anyone go burn a cross on anyone's lawn or go lynch anyone. He just questioned why his former girlfriend wanted to post photos of herself on social media sites with black people and asked that she not do that. Is that offensive to many people...yes. But he had done many FAR MORE offensive things in the past, where he denied minorities the ability to rent places that he owned and made much more offensive statements in explaining why he did so. But this incident made it's way to social media, so the NBA decided that the public outcry had to be addressed.

As far as whether or not he knew he was being recorded and GAVE HIS CONSENT to the conversation being recorded...we'll see. I suspect this will go to court and like in the Trayvon Martin case, people making statements here now, will be proven ignorant of the facts later. The conversation must have been made with his knowledge and CONSENT.

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That's all true. My comment was only in response to immessedup's question about why people opined that the recording was illegal. Yes, the NBA can vote (if they get a 75% owner vote) to force Sterling to sell. That seems likely to happen. However, the whole thing is a ridiculous response by the NBA to a private conversation. Sterling didn't suggest anyone go burn a cross on anyone's lawn or go lynch anyone. He just questioned why his former girlfriend wanted to post photos of herself on social media sites with black people and asked that she not do that. Is that offensive to many people...yes.

He told her not to bring black people to Clippers games. That's the issue.


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As far as whether or not he knew he was being recorded and GAVE HIS CONSENT to the conversation being recorded...we'll see. I suspect this will go to court and like in the Trayvon Martin case, people making statements here now, will be proven ignorant of the facts later. The conversation must have been made with his knowledge and CONSENT.

The tapes were his idea and he frequently asked them to be played back

Another swing and a miss. Maybe you should read a news article or consult with a more informed person like Frank Costanza before posting.


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would would anyone, anytime EVER consent to being recorded ??

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isnt that according to the mistress skank only? I doubt sterling authorized those recordings.... she is trash for setting him up and recording all of these conversations.... but what sterling said is how he views the world... the legality of the recordings doesnt matter here

I understand not taking her at her word, but it sounds like he knew. Guy had an archivist and tried to get her to sing a confidentiality agreement about the tape



[i]Donald Sterling was AWARE he was being taped during the conversation that was posted on TMZ
Sports, in which the L.A. Clippers owner went on a racial rant ... so claims the woman who taped him.



And because you would like this to be true so that it supports the idea that Sterling was not taped illegally, you are willing to jump to the conclusion it is true. Forget that the gold digging tramp might be saying this to try to avoid prosecution. :roll:

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isnt that according to the mistress skank only? I doubt sterling authorized those recordings.... she is trash for setting him up and recording all of these conversations.... but what sterling said is how he views the world... the legality of the recordings doesnt matter here

I understand not taking her at her word, but it sounds like he knew. Guy had an archivist and tried to get her to sing a confidentiality agreement about the tape



[i]Donald Sterling was AWARE he was being taped during the conversation that was posted on TMZ
Sports, in which the L.A. Clippers owner went on a racial rant ... so claims the woman who taped him.



And because you would like this to be true so that it supports the idea that Sterling was not taped illegally, you are willing to jump to the conclusion it is true. Forget that the gold digging tramp might be saying this to try to avoid prosecution. :roll:

He hired her as his archivist. Look up what archive means.

And I dont care if it was illegal. It doesnt matter. The NBA is not a court of law. And the woman is no hero. If she goes to jail, that's fine with me.


You just keep coming off more and more ignorant to the facts.


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That's all true. My comment was only in response to immessedup's question about why people opined that the recording was illegal. Yes, the NBA can vote (if they get a 75% owner vote) to force Sterling to sell. That seems likely to happen. However, the whole thing is a ridiculous response by the NBA to a private conversation. Sterling didn't suggest anyone go burn a cross on anyone's lawn or go lynch anyone. He just questioned why his former girlfriend wanted to post photos of herself on social media sites with black people and asked that she not do that. Is that offensive to many people...yes.

He told her not to bring black people to Clippers games. That's the issue.


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As far as whether or not he knew he was being recorded and GAVE HIS CONSENT to the conversation being recorded...we'll see. I suspect this will go to court and like in the Trayvon Martin case, people making statements here now, will be proven ignorant of the facts later. The conversation must have been made with his knowledge and CONSENT.

The tapes were his idea and he frequently asked them to be played back

Another swing and a miss. Maybe you should read a news article or consult with a more informed person like Frank Costanza before posting.


A news article that is written like many of the Trayvon Martin articles were .....with all the information slanted and much information omitted? No, I think I'll wait for the court proceedings and not jump to any conclusions. Especially one's drawn from articles that quote the hosebag as a source.

The one thing that really makes no sense to me about all this, is why was he ever with a woman who was black and Hispanic, when he clearly found blacks and Hispanics unacceptable? That's the one thing that is most puzzling.

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The one thing that really makes no sense to me about all this, is why was he ever with a woman who was black and Hispanic, when he clearly found blacks and Hispanics unacceptable? That's the one thing that is most puzzling.

Its pretty common. Goes back to Thomas Jefferson.


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isnt that according to the mistress skank only? I doubt sterling authorized those recordings.... she is trash for setting him up and recording all of these conversations.... but what sterling said is how he views the world... the legality of the recordings doesnt matter here

I understand not taking her at her word, but it sounds like he knew. Guy had an archivist and tried to get her to sing a confidentiality agreement about the tape



[i]Donald Sterling was AWARE he was being taped during the conversation that was posted on TMZ
Sports, in which the L.A. Clippers owner went on a racial rant ... so claims the woman who taped him.



And because you would like this to be true so that it supports the idea that Sterling was not taped illegally, you are willing to jump to the conclusion it is true. Forget that the gold digging tramp might be saying this to try to avoid prosecution. :roll:

He hired her as his archivist. Look up what archive means.

And I dont care if it was illegal. It doesnt matter. The NBA is not a court of law. And the woman is no hero. If she goes to jail, that's fine with me.


You just keep coming off more and more ignorant to the facts.


That's an accurate statement actually. I have not really bothered to research this at all. I just listened to the recording and hear things on the radio. But I know that a recording done without knowledge and consent is illegal. I'll wait for the courts (which I have no doubts will be involved before it's over) to sort it out. At this point, people are just getting the word of a 20 something year old slut, who was so morally bankrupt, she was willing to screw an 80 year old bigot and ignore that he considered her own ethnic background to be inferior and unacceptable. If TMZ made a recording, and the conversation included the hosebag, Sterling AND a TMZ representative, the conversation would no longer be protected, as any expectation of privacy with a 3rd party involved would be removed.

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