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Madness. Absolute Madness.


I don't know what the solution is or what the exact cause is, but its just fucking tragic.

Were human beings. Top of the goddamn food chain, we don't need to kill each other


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Madness. Absolute Madness.


I don't know what the solution is or what the exact cause is, but its just fucking tragic.

Were human beings. Top of the goddamn food chain, we don't need to kill each other



There is a food chain within the food chain.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Madness. Absolute Madness.


I don't know what the solution is or what the exact cause is, but its just fucking tragic.

Were human beings. Top of the goddamn food chain, we don't need to kill each other

Theres a very heartwarming story to one of the girls killed the other day.Talk about madness.

http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-teen-girl-ganglord-094500470--politics.html

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pittmike wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Madness. Absolute Madness.


I don't know what the solution is or what the exact cause is, but its just fucking tragic.

Were human beings. Top of the goddamn food chain, we don't need to kill each other



There is a food chain within the food chain.

That's true but that goes on all over

What the fuck is Chicago's problem? Even with murders down were still way over the norm


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Watching as you do from afar I do not know anymore. Complex problems in out society. I would like to see the stats from times like the 20's and 30's. Depression and Al Capone times compared to now.

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What the fuck is Chicago's problem? Even with murders down were still way over the norm

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badrogue17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Madness. Absolute Madness.


I don't know what the solution is or what the exact cause is, but its just fucking tragic.

Were human beings. Top of the goddamn food chain, we don't need to kill each other
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Theres a very heartwarming story to one of the girls killed the other day.Talk about madness.

http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-tee-girl-ganglord-094500470--politics.html

Completely shocked that the victim was in a gang. Doesn't make it any less tragic to me . That kid was an innocent chid at some point. What the fuck happened? The fact that she thought her best option was emulating a TV murderer is also tragic

There's a fuckin reason people like her exist. And its not something we can just throw our hands up and say "live by the sword, die by the sword"

Its time to talk about or address why this keeps happening


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:36 pm 
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Watching as you do from afar I do not know anymore. Complex problems in out society. I would like to see the stats from times like the 20's and 30's. Depression and Al Capone times compared to now.

Yeah, its not an easy thing to answer

Just feel like something has to change before it gets further out f control


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If its any consolation, the police Supe blames the gun…

Earlier in the day, Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy, clearly frustrated, said Tuesday at a news conference that tougher gun laws could have prevented the slaying.

“What would have been, under any other circumstances, probably a fistfight between two 14-year-old girls because of an argument over a boy turned into a murder,” he said.

The gun used in the shooting, a legal .38-caliber revolver, was kept in the owner’s car but was reported stolen April 14, McCarthy said. Police departments don’t let officers store their guns in their cars, but under the state’s concealed-carry law, individuals who are properly permitted can.

“That’s insanity. This is madness, folks. This is madness,” he said.


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If its any consolation, the police Supe blames the gun…

Earlier in the day, Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy, clearly frustrated, said Tuesday at a news conference that tougher gun laws could have prevented the slaying.

“What would have been, under any other circumstances, probably a fistfight between two 14-year-old girls because of an argument over a boy turned into a murder,” he said.

The gun used in the shooting, a legal .38-caliber revolver, was kept in the owner’s car but was reported stolen April 14, McCarthy said. Police departments don’t let officers store their guns in their cars, but under the state’s concealed-carry law, individuals who are properly permitted can.

“That’s insanity. This is madness, folks. This is madness,” he said.


I can't tell if he's saying conceal and carry is bad or that gun crimes should be way harsher punishments. I'm totally on board with the latter


Btw, I must have gotten that madness quote from him (its a perfect word for it). Oakland police chief said the same thing about violence at Chuck E Cheese, must be a police thing.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Madness. Absolute Madness.


I don't know what the solution is or what the exact cause is, but its just fucking tragic.

Were human beings. Top of the goddamn food chain, we don't need to kill each other
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Theres a very heartwarming story to one of the girls killed the other day.Talk about madness.

http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-tee-girl-ganglord-094500470--politics.html

Completely shocked that the victim was in a gang. Doesn't make it any less tragic to me . That kid was an innocent chid at some point. What the fuck happened? The fact that she thought her best option was emulating a TV murderer is also tragic

There's a fuckin reason people like her exist. And its not something we can just throw our hands up and say "live by the sword, die by the sword"

Its time to talk about or address why this keeps happening

Bryan is there any chance that your daughter could acquire a gun and have used it to kill other people in the last couple years without your knowledge?

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Bryan is there any chance that your daughter could acquire a gun and have used it to kill other people in the last couple years without your knowledge?

No

But she's 7 and there aren't shootings frequently in our neighborhood


If your point is that shitty parenting a big part of it, I think that's understood.


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What the fuck is Chicago's problem? Even with murders down were still way over the norm

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Bryan is there any chance that your daughter could acquire a gun and have used it to kill other people in the last couple years without your knowledge?

No

But she's 7 and there aren't shootings frequently in our neighborhood

If your point is that shitty parenting a big part of it, I think that's understood.


Bingo.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
What the fuck is Chicago's problem? Even with murders down were still way over the norm

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and thats the reported shootings.

CPD has created full departments now to drive the shooting areas on a constant basis, but these guys cant be on every corner 24 hours a day, at some point the neighborhood needs to help.

There should be a tip hotline, website set up just for areas designated and truely monitored, not some site that you send them an email and they respond 3 days later. I am not sure it solves the issues, but I do know that a reluctance to be seen helping the police exists. Which really kinda negates the request for more police in the areas.

BTW, Where's Jesse? Oh yeah, nobody to shake down here.

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and thats the reported shootings.

CPD has created full departments now to drive the shooting areas on a constant basis, but these guys cant be on every corner 24 hours a day, at some point the neighborhood needs to help.

There should be a tip hotline, website set up just for areas designated and truely monitored, not some site that you send them an email and they respond 3 days later. I am not sure it solves the issues, but I do know that a reluctance to be seen helping the police exists. Which really kinda negates the request for more police in the areas.

BTW, Where's Jesse? Oh yeah, nobody to shake down here.

That texting the police program seems like a good idea. I mean, that's a lot safer than testifying or physically going to the police


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I love how CPD is crowing about the murder rate being down. Not a good indicator anymore because of the simple fact that medical services have gotten better at saving people shot, along with the fact most of the shooter just plain suck at aiming. So in closing Thanks Obama.

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Murders and shootings are down AGAIN. We are talking 1950 levels. At some points we need to recognize that this is narrative is being driven by the media.

Bigfan the reason people are reluctant to cooperate with the police in any way is because people have been killed in the past when criminals magically got information from the police about the person who called in.

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Murders and shootings are down AGAIN. We are talking 1950 levels. At some points we need to recognize that this is narrative is being driven by the media.

40 people shot last weekend. Isnt that pretty high for any time period?


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Nas wrote:
Murders and shootings are down AGAIN. We are talking 1950 levels. At some points we need to recognize that this is narrative is being driven by the media.

Bigfan the reason people are reluctant to cooperate with the police in any way is because people have been killed in the past when criminals magically got information from the police about the person who called in.




It's not media driven though.

Chicago population in 1950 3.6M


Chicago population in 2012 2.7M

Far less population and they are knowingly passing off bogus crime stats.

If They Can Fake Crime Stats....

http://www.chicagonow.com/district-299- ... ime-stats/

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Murders and shootings are down AGAIN. We are talking 1950 levels. At some points we need to recognize that this is narrative is being driven by the media.

40 people shot last weekend. Isnt that pretty high for any time period?


That's a bad weekend. Historically the overall numbers are low. IF you believe they are putting out bogus numbers today even though there are a million eyes on them what do you believe they were doing in the 80's and 90's when no one seemed to care that 800 people were being murdered every year?

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Murders and shootings are down AGAIN. We are talking 1950 levels. At some points we need to recognize that this is narrative is being driven by the media.

Bigfan the reason people are reluctant to cooperate with the police in any way is because people have been killed in the past when criminals magically got information from the police about the person who called in.




It's not media driven though.

Chicago population in 1950 3.6M


Chicago population in 2012 2.7M

Far less population and they are knowingly passing off bogus crime stats.

If They Can Fake Crime Stats....

http://www.chicagonow.com/district-299- ... ime-stats/


Why wasn't there outrage then when 900 people were being murdered a year? Why didn't we see the name of every victim in the daily papers. I'm not great at math but I know 400 murders is better than 900. They're making people believe that it's worse than ever. I just don't think it's true.

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Why aren't the leaders in the community railing against these shootings? Where is Jesse? Where is Dorothy? Where are the professional athletes? Do they not care either? Also, who was surprised to hear a few Months ago that CPD has been under-reporting the number of shootings for years? Most people just don't care because these shootings aren't happening in their neighborhoods. Let them kill each other, right?
This shit has got to stop. Put the National Guard & Military on every corner. I would think that most folks in the neighborhood would welcome this protection from these punk ass thugs.

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Put the National Guard & Military on every corner.


can we retire this thought please


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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Murders and shootings are down AGAIN. We are talking 1950 levels. At some points we need to recognize that this is narrative is being driven by the media.

40 people shot last weekend. Isnt that pretty high for any time period?


That's a bad weekend. Historically the overall numbers are low. IF you believe they are putting out bogus numbers today even though there are a million eyes on them what do you believe they were doing in the 80's and 90's when no one seemed to care that 800 people were being murdered every year?

Im not sure what numbers to believe. Seems a lot of them contradict each other.

Chas actually had a good point about medical advances. Many of these shootings would have been murders 20 years ago.


I cant seem to find shooting numbers. Homicides and murders are all over the place, but people shot is elusive


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Nas wrote:
Murders and shootings are down AGAIN. We are talking 1950 levels. At some points we need to recognize that this is narrative is being driven by the media.

Bigfan the reason people are reluctant to cooperate with the police in any way is because people have been killed in the past when criminals magically got information from the police about the person who called in.




It's not media driven though.

Chicago population in 1950 3.6M


Chicago population in 2012 2.7M

Far less population and they are knowingly passing off bogus crime stats.

If They Can Fake Crime Stats....

http://www.chicagonow.com/district-299- ... ime-stats/


Solid, BIG THOUGHTS, right here. Thoughts that I agree with. Demographic displacement and, well, "relocation" coupled with a drop in overall population has had the biggest impact. Fudging crime stats is a way of life. The Big Guy was out there bragging about the low, low, low numbers when it was historically cold and then all of a sudden it's a "rough patch" when people are back to dropping like flies.


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Put the National Guard & Military on every corner.
Cool. Taxes in Cook and the collar counties will be raised 94% to cover the costs of this. Open up your checkbook, SH.

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This shit has got to stop. Put the National Guard & Military on every corner. I would think that most folks in the neighborhood would welcome this protection from these punk ass thugs.

Agree it has to stop

Do you think the National Guard/Military is a realistic option? I dont see that happening


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