It is currently Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:02 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 144 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Posts: 34795
pizza_Place: Al's Pizza
SomeGuy wrote:
Introducing a heavily armed force with little to no experience in law enforcement or the law (as it pertains to L.E.) into a densley populated area where they also have little to no knowledge of people, customs, expectations, geography etc, would probably be a bad idea.


Low hanging fruit, huh?

_________________
Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43582
Chus wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Introducing a heavily armed force with little to no experience in law enforcement or the law (as it pertains to L.E.) into a densley populated area where they also have little to no knowledge of people, customs, expectations, geography etc, would probably be a bad idea.


Low hanging fruit, huh?

This fruit is rotting and has fell off the tree awhile ago.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 9:33 pm
Posts: 16484
Location: Chicago, Illinois
pizza_Place: Salernos, Oak Park
SomeGuy wrote:
Introducing a heavily armed force with little to no experience in law enforcement or the law (as it pertains to L.E.) into a densley populated area where they also have little to no knowledge of people, customs, expectations, geography etc, would probably be a bad idea.


We do this in other countries all the time. Maybe we should focus on fixing the problems in our country & protecting our citizens.
You greatly under estimate the expertise & precision that our armed forces posses.

_________________
CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:21 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38372
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
Scorehead wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
A loving Mommy and Daddy like you suggested.


In theory, yes. But we all know that just isn't going to happen. Citizens pay taxes for a number of reasons & being protected is one of them. CPD is failing. Badly. Not surprising in this state & city though.


Please stop Scorehead.


You don't like the truth? What exactly do you disagree with in my above statement?


There is no way for the cops to keep up with the increase in crime by themselves.

To blame the cops is unfair and counter productive.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:18 pm
Posts: 19488
pizza_Place: Phils' on 35th all you need to know
I have stated my ideas on how to fix the majority of the problem. It is a multi-faceted approach to the problem.
Here are basically what I would do if I had a free hand and total control.

Make pot legal. Anyone in Jail/prison on pot charges ,ie no violence attached or that just plain possession and intent to distribute. Get out of jail free cards.

The other drugs you change the laws so that the hard time goes on the dealer. I mean hard time. Users for the first 2-3 offences go to rehab no lock up. After that they go to rehab in lockup.

Enforce the gun laws on the books. Chicago/Cook county have some of the more restrictive gun laws. No need for more,just enforce the ones we have. The law on the books right now that for holding a illegal gun is 5 years min. It is almost never enforced. That is just for having it.
Now on to the economic side. Now this will probably start shit but it is the truth. The real part of our country being hurt the most by the illegal alien problem in the country is the young black population. Illegals take a lot of the low end jobs. Making the illegals legal will do nothing to fix that. We need to find jobs for people. There are a lot of ways to do this and maybe making schools better and incentive the need for people to go. Like maybe tie in govt aide to it. Also,if you are getting govt funds then you have to do something for it. That was how it was when it first started. Another thing to do is ,and this goes all the way back to the Romans, to become a full citizen and get all the rights you owe the Nation 4 years. You graduate High School then you give your 4 years. Could be Military or Peace Corps(in Country only) or Border Patrol. Plus, if you are on any kind of govt assistance as a female you get the Norplant. If there is a male version of the same thing you get that too.

_________________
When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
chaspoppcap wrote:
The real part of our country being hurt the most by the illegal alien problem in the country is the young black population. Illegals take a lot of the low end jobs.


Before the fun begins .... I would like to suggest that it's possible - possible - he didn't mean to say what seems to be being conveyed by the construction and proximity of these sentences .... now, on with the show ....

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:18 pm
Posts: 19488
pizza_Place: Phils' on 35th all you need to know
Don Tiny wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
The real part of our country being hurt the most by the illegal alien problem in the country is the young black population. Illegals take a lot of the low end jobs.


Before the fun begins .... I would like to suggest that it's possible - possible - he didn't mean to say what seems to be being conveyed by the construction and proximity of these sentences .... now, on with the show ....


No I did not mean it how you are thinking. It is a stat I read about before that was the case. I will try and find the article to give it the context it deserves.
Just one of numerous links that popped up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/01/AR2011030104064.html

_________________
When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"


Last edited by chaspoppcap on Thu May 01, 2014 5:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:09 am
Posts: 19925
pizza_Place: Papa Johns
Chus wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Introducing a heavily armed force with little to no experience in law enforcement or the law (as it pertains to L.E.) into a densley populated area where they also have little to no knowledge of people, customs, expectations, geography etc, would probably be a bad idea.


Low hanging fruit, huh?


I want to knock your stupid teeth out.

But it needed to be said.

I mean, taking into account the above it may actually lead to more deaths.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43582
Scorehead wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Introducing a heavily armed force with little to no experience in law enforcement or the law (as it pertains to L.E.) into a densley populated area where they also have little to no knowledge of people, customs, expectations, geography etc, would probably be a bad idea.


We do this in other countries all the time. Maybe we should focus on fixing the problems in our country & protecting our citizens.
You greatly under estimate the expertise & precision that our armed forces posses.

:lol: :lol:

Over 100,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need that kind of precision on the streets of Chicago.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Posts: 34795
pizza_Place: Al's Pizza
SomeGuy wrote:
Chus wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Introducing a heavily armed force with little to no experience in law enforcement or the law (as it pertains to L.E.) into a densley populated area where they also have little to no knowledge of people, customs, expectations, geography etc, would probably be a bad idea.


Low hanging fruit, huh?


I want to knock your stupid teeth out.



Violence is never the answer.

_________________
Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32234
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
So our self-proclaimed small government aficionado is calling for an actual police state with the military patrolling neighborhoods, huh? It keeps getting better all the time.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Scorehead wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Introducing a heavily armed force with little to no experience in law enforcement or the law (as it pertains to L.E.) into a densley populated area where they also have little to no knowledge of people, customs, expectations, geography etc, would probably be a bad idea.


We do this in other countries all the time. Maybe we should focus on fixing the problems in our country & protecting our citizens.
You greatly under estimate the expertise & precision that our armed forces posses.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Trust me Scorehead, you vastly overestimate it.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 7:48 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38372
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
leashyourkids wrote:
So our self-proclaimed small government aficionado is calling for an actual police state with the military patrolling neighborhoods, huh? It keeps getting better all the time.


:lol:

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 9:33 pm
Posts: 16484
Location: Chicago, Illinois
pizza_Place: Salernos, Oak Park
leashyourkids wrote:
So our self-proclaimed small government aficionado is calling for an actual police state with the military patrolling neighborhoods, huh? It keeps getting better all the time.


If we stayed the hell out of other countries & used the money that we spend sending troops overseas to protect our own citizens, we would actually save money.

_________________
CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Enforcing gun laws sounds good.

Maybe make it so risky to get caught with a gun it makes some of these kids have second thoughts


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe make it so risky to get caught with a gun it makes some of these kids have second thoughts


i honestly don't think 99% of them would consider any kind of punishment regardless


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32234
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Scorehead wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
So our self-proclaimed small government aficionado is calling for an actual police state with the military patrolling neighborhoods, huh? It keeps getting better all the time.


If we stayed the hell out of other countries & used the money that we spend sending troops overseas to protect our own citizens, we would actually save money.


Bringing home troops from overseas does not equal putting them on street corners domestically. It's an either/or situation.

How would you feel if troops were stationed in your neighborhood?

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe make it so risky to get caught with a gun it makes some of these kids have second thoughts


i honestly don't think 99% of them would consider any kind of punishment regardless

What if it were life in prison for being caught with an unregistered gun?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:44 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79590
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
rogers park bryan wrote:
Enforcing gun laws sounds good.

Maybe make it so risky to get caught with a gun it makes some of these kids have second thoughts


Implement "stop and frisk" and reinstate the death penalty. Problem solved.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
rogers park bryan wrote:
Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe make it so risky to get caught with a gun it makes some of these kids have second thoughts


i honestly don't think 99% of them would consider any kind of punishment regardless

What if it were life in prison for being caught with an unregistered gun?


that's a steep cost to society to jail someone for life
but yeah, i don't know the answer either


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:09 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43582
Just murder anyone carrying an unregistered firearm.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:10 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
Douchebag wrote:
Just murder anyone carrying an unregistered firearm.


wake up in a murderous mood today ? :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:13 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43582
Bagels wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Just murder anyone carrying an unregistered firearm.


wake up in a murderous mood today ? :lol:

Just beating Scorehead to the punch.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:13 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe make it so risky to get caught with a gun it makes some of these kids have second thoughts


i honestly don't think 99% of them would consider any kind of punishment regardless

What if it were life in prison for being caught with an unregistered gun?


that's a steep cost to society to jail someone for life
but yeah, i don't know the answer either



Image

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:13 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55977
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
chaspoppcap wrote:
Plus, if you are on any kind of govt assistance as a female you get the Norplant. If there is a male version of the same thing you get that too.


There's chemical castration, if that counts. By the way, you've proposed this before, and you're still horrifying.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:31 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79590
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
chaspoppcap wrote:
Plus, if you are on any kind of govt assistance as a female you get the Norplant. If there is a male version of the same thing you get that too.


Do you think the executives at GM and ADM are gonna like being sterilized?

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32234
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Curious Hair wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Plus, if you are on any kind of govt assistance as a female you get the Norplant. If there is a male version of the same thing you get that too.


There's chemical castration, if that counts. By the way, you've proposed this before, and you're still horrifying.


:lol: I'll never understand the sheer hatred for poor people that is exhibited by others who seem to be in the same economic class (or at least close).

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:36 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79590
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
leashyourkids wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Plus, if you are on any kind of govt assistance as a female you get the Norplant. If there is a male version of the same thing you get that too.


There's chemical castration, if that counts. By the way, you've proposed this before, and you're still horrifying.


:lol: I'll never understand the sheer hatred for poor people that is exhibited by others who seem to be in the same economic class (or at least close).


It has a lot to do with race.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:44 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38372
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Plus, if you are on any kind of govt assistance as a female you get the Norplant. If there is a male version of the same thing you get that too.


There's chemical castration, if that counts. By the way, you've proposed this before, and you're still horrifying.


:lol: I'll never understand the sheer hatred for poor people that is exhibited by others who seem to be in the same economic class (or at least close).


It has a lot to do with race.


In reality, this is not true.

Check who takes advantage of the immigrants crossing the border from Mexico.

The drugs being sold on the streets of Chicago in most neighborhoods are not being sold by outsiders.

Look at what the Irish have done (See the Daley family) to destroy a once vibrant city.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:55 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79590
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Seacrest wrote:
Look at what the Irish have done (See the Daley family) to destroy a once vibrant city.


That's the point. Daley is worse than El Chapo or Larry Hoover, but he's getting toasted by Terry Newman at the Gibson's anniversary party while the other two are in prison.

Dwayne Andreas and Hugh Grant are going to poison us today, but many aspire to be just like them.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 144 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 37 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group