So Leash is my point of view is so ridiculousness then why was it already tried? What would your solution to the problem be then? You seem to think mine is so bad then what is your solution?

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Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews. Was that a good idea? How ridiculous could it be, if it was already tried?

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Chas every study ever finds a correlation between women's education level and the number of children. Education would be a good place to start. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

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No, YOU aren't getting the point. Mandatory sterilization is fundamentally wrong. If you want to furnish free birth control as an option, fine, great, but to enforce it crosses a line. It's so far down the reproductive-rights continuum that it wraps back around and winds up next to "the government will force you to carry a fetus to term." How don't you see that?

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So what is more cruel. To not let someone have a child they will not raise the right way that will just most likely be a burden to society and keep on repeating the downward spiral or let people have as many children as they want with no means to support them except from the government to take care of them at a diminishing level?

I agree leash education is paramount but with how our society allows children to keep having children at younger and younger ages is the wrong path to follow.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605672/Britains-youngest-parents-Mother-12-gives-birth-7lb-baby-girl-falling-pregnant-primary-school-boy-aged-13.html
I know it is England but look how the mothers father is acting.

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If you don't see the concerns inherent to forced medication, you're utterly hopeless. Enjoy the game tonight.

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Who would've thought that in Chas' America, China would have the moral high ground.

Yikes...

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Anyone who takes a single government cent in any form should be drug-tested twice a month and norplanted. I would include all government workers in this model, including teachers and cops. If they don't like it let them get real jobs in the private sector. But not with companies that accept tax breaks or bailouts. Otherwise they should be sterilized anyway.

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It is not permanent. Only as long as they are receiving help. As I said not my idea tried before here in America several times. And you can be forced to take medication. So CH what is the solution,what is your idea? I love the fact that most of the people on here who lean to the left never open up and speak their minds on what they would do,only comment on other people thoughts.
Nice JORR way to take it to the extreme. If that is your thought then it is wrong because employees do something for their money,unlike
Someone who sits at home watching TV getting baked every day.

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Yeah, they ring doorbells for their chinamen or use some other clout to get a government job with a ridiculous pension that the real working man has to pay for. Sterilize all those motherfuckers and drug test their asses too!

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Think about it. There are families that have generation after generation of government "worker". Wouldn't sterilization be less cruel than the breeding of a new generation of government morons?

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You may not believe it but I wish we lived in a utopia like Star Trek. No one with a want or need. Unfortunately we don't. Once again I ask,if my ideas are bad what are yours?

JORR,yeah those fucks need to be kicked off payroll. You may not know this but if you work forthe City if you are thought to be under the influence while on the job you are made to take a pee test right then and there. If you refuse you are gone,it is part of the contract.

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Yeah, then you call your chinaman and get assigned to a Cook County job and collect the pension from the city job at the same time. Fuck, I think Quarters Boyle might still be on a government payroll. Nobody minds because he's funny.

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Well, if the CEO's of GM and ADM should be held to the same standard even if they don't personally take any "welfare" then it would have to trickle down to every single employee of GM and ADM, right? Take out the murder part, that's fine.

It isn't an apples to apples comparison, it's actually quite silly.

The whole thing is a disingenuous canard, though. Corporate welfare greatly outmatches people welfare. Norplant and drug testing would cost even more and the ROI would negative. This is all silly, silly, silly poo poo.

Now I'm going to eat some pizza.

Instead of mandatory sterilization how about some thing productive like mandatory job retraining?

Can we euthanize Chas?

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Or entry into the New CCC. That was a great idea. I wish they'd still do that. It teaches a trade... or other job training.
Good. It's good.

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The call, by some or one, for Norplant or whatever is effectively punishment for those that lost their jobs, makes little sense.

Punitive punishment won't those who take advantage of the system to get off the couch and look for work, but having a system that requires training/work for benefits is def. something that would get people off the couch. And for those that aren't moochers they simply have an added benefit.

I think even something beneficial like vocational training being mandatory while you are receiving benefits would be met with resistance.

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If even that would be a no-no, then all we are going to do is (SHOCKINGLY) mirror what the Japanese went through and continue to go through during their 20+'s years of stagnation. That is losing an entire generation or 2 to skill obsolescence and decay. Thus, if any real job creation takes place in actual skilled fields you may just have a huge labor shortage.

Ok. How about vocational training is elective for the first 12 months you're on unemployment. After that, pick something you're interested in and start job training or working on things like restoring the fed/state parks like say Starved Rock which desperately needs maintenance. Of course, I have seen guys who weren't paying for their vocational training when I was in tech school and they obviously didn't give a rats ass and are probably shitty techs. So... there's that.

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That would be part of the problem, making people pick something they may not be suited for or have no interest in doing just to maintain bennies would lead to exactly what you're saying, Shitty techs, shitty construction workers, shitty ( insert field here) who even if they were to secure a job in their "field" wouldn't like it or be good at it and find themselves shitcanned in a few weeks and back on the dole .

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Yeah, good point. It's a tough situation.

Aren't you the same guy who thinks that I should pay for my employees birth control?

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