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I'm positive he didn't know that would result in a penalty.


Maybe they need to do something like in Forest Gump, where someone else catches the ball for him, hands it to him, and yells "Run Devin!!!"

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That was the most limp-wristed interception I've ever seen, srsly.

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Wow. I mean just wow. I hate the fact that you guys have him. He has to easily be the most important special teams player of the past 10 years. Maybe Desmond Howard wont be the only kick returner in NFL history to win a SB MVP award.


Wow. That can be the only word to describe Hester. Easily the most exciting player in the NFL and theres not even a close second.

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I have bad news for you, fellas. This team is not good.

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With each passing minute I like GB's chances for a division title better and better.

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I know its been said a million times, but Rex has to be the only QB in the league that can have flashes of being a top 3 QB in the league and a bottom 3 QB in the league. He has the ability to single handedly keep an inferior team in the game.

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I have bad news for you, fellas. This team is not good.


More specifically, this offense is not good....Suprise!!!

Can't consistently score with poor blocking.

Manning interception!!! Defense bailing out the offense again. Let's see what they do with it


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With each passing minute I like GB's chances for a division title better and better.

Packers fans from Chicago are odious and inexplicable. Do you tuck your camouflage pants into your work boots?

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I know its been said a million times, but Rex has to be the only QB in the league that can have flashes of being a top 3 QB in the league and a bottom 3 QB in the league. He has the ability to single handedly keep an inferior team in the game.


Do you mean the NFC North? :wink:


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I know its been said a million times, but Rex has to be the only QB in the league that can have flashes of being a top 3 QB in the league and a bottom 3 QB in the league. He has the ability to single handedly keep an inferior team in the game.


Do you mean the NFC North? :wink:


LOL yeah hes probably better than Tarvaris.

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With each passing minute I like GB's chances for a division title better and better.

Packers fans from Chicago are odious and inexplicable. Do you tuck your camouflage pants into your work boots?


I grew up with my uncle in GB for the first 14 years of my life, I wasnt going to ditch them because I had to move back down to Chicago.

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With each passing minute I like GB's chances for a division title better and better.

Packers fans from Chicago are odious and inexplicable. Do you tuck your camouflage pants into your work boots?


I grew up with my uncle in GB for the first 14 years of my life, I wasnt going to ditch them because I had to move back down to Chicago.

But you're a Sox fan, correct?

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With each passing minute I like GB's chances for a division title better and better.

Packers fans from Chicago are odious and inexplicable. Do you tuck your camouflage pants into your work boots?


I grew up with my uncle in GB for the first 14 years of my life, I wasnt going to ditch them because I had to move back down to Chicago.

But you're a Sox fan, correct?


Yes, I didnt start following baseball untill high school, and Im not ashamed to admit that when I was still in grade school I became a fairweather Bulls fan and have stuck with them "through thick and thin".

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Lot of Pack/Sox fans out there. There's a pair I don't get.

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Lot of Pack/Sox fans out there. There's a pair I don't get.


I dont get it either. I figured I had to be one of the only Packers/Sox/Bulls fans around.

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Lot of Pack/Sox fans out there. There's a pair I don't get.


Two bad things that go worse together. :wink:

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Even though I won my only two bets this week(Texans, Packers), Im really annoyed I didnt bet on this game. It seemed like a good line, but I wanted to see more from Rex and Benson before laying some wood on them.


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Maybe they're old school

Bears = Wrigley, Cardinals = Comiskey

Speaking of the Sox this game was winning ugly. D was as expected though. Grossman, ugh. I am easily a Grossman hater, I'd rather have Orton (!). I dread when he'll have one decent game everyone will be on his balls again, even though his success is a product of D/special team field position or playing a bad D. Sucks on the road too, wouldn't have much confidence in this team @ a place like Minny or GB


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Rex should not start week 3. The Bears can't keep doing this with him doing that. It won't work against playoff teams. Sorry Nas. I'm done being on your side. Rex kept the Chiefs in this game far too long.


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Rex should not start week 3. The Bears can't keep doing this with him doing that. It won't work against playoff teams. Sorry Nas. I'm done being on your side. Rex kept the Chiefs in this game far too long.


Heres hoping they not only start him, but resign him to a 5 yr $50 million extension

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Disagreed. Griese and Orton will get sacked just as easily if the blitz isn't picked up. Muhammed doesn't catch that pass with someone else throwing it (another time the blitz wasn't picked up by the way)... And Berrian fumbles that ball no matter who threw it to him. The interceptions were bad, but I'd credit that to a long day of good pressure from a good defensive scheme & and a TERRIBLE offensive line performance. I'm not a big fan of Rex, but the alternatives don't solve the offense's problems.


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This is not a championship team, period. I'm as big of a homer as they come, and I'm afraid that this is the simple truth. They'll make the playoffs, and they may even go deep. I've seen enough of this team to know that it just simply isn't at that highest level.

QB will be a need position next year, but the area I'd really like to see addressed is the O-line. Someone you can put at left tackle for a decade and forget about. John Tait is better than he's given credit for, but he's not getting any younger (goes for the line in general.)

I said the other day that I felt there were two can't miss tackles in this next draft, one of whom is going in the first two or three posts (Jake Long). Plus, I talked about Michael Oher at Ole Miss, who may have even more upside than Jake Long, but is still rough and who started at guard early in his career. I missed a couple. Sam Baker is a beast at USC. There's also a kid at BC who is a good player, although I forget his name, and BC tackles have bad karma written all over them. Nine times out of ten, the team with the better O-line wins. Let's be that team.

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2nd game in a row that the offense didn't pick up blitzes...

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On the bright side, no game against the Patriots!


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Disagreed. Griese and Orton will get sacked just as easily if the blitz isn't picked up. Muhammed doesn't catch that pass with someone else throwing it (another time the blitz wasn't picked up by the way)... And Berrian fumbles that ball no matter who threw it to him. The interceptions were bad, but I'd credit that to a long day of good pressure from a good defensive scheme & and a TERRIBLE offensive line performance. I'm not a big fan of Rex, but the alternatives don't solve the offense's problems.


Mike I see where you're coming from and agree with your assessment. There was also a play where Rex threw the ball a little early and the wr (i think berrian) never turned back to look. The Bears receivers never anticipate anything unless its played out exactly the way its drawn out.

Some observations and opinions from a Colts fan. Please feel free to correct.

1. Leadership - I just don't see it from this guy (edit - Rex). You guys know the Bears far better than I do, but to me it seems he lacks leadership and the guys around him don't believe in him. That's why WR's never anticipate. This, to me, is also why these blitzes aren't being picked up. The first person to recognize a blitz should be the quarterback. This is never the case with Rex. I use to give him a pass on this and blame the RB or TE, but when you watch all the good QB's play, they recognize it at the line of scrimmage and make adjustments. When I watch, Rex has NEVER done this. If he has, please let me know. I don't recall it. That, to me, is a part of leadership. Rex isn't that guy. I do believe Brian Greise is capable of recognizing a blitz a bit better. Rex also has zero charisma. I think you got to have a little of that to. I just don't see it from him at all. That's why Bernard Berrian tried to throw Rex under the bus about that intercepted pass last week (which was Bernard's fault). No leadership. No respect for the QB. You have to have that if you're going to win the Superbowl.

2. Accuracy - Again, keep in mind this is from someone who has been rooting for Rex and even thought he'd be the most improved player for '07. And yes, the WR's have screwed him a few times on plays. However, Rex misses guys a lot. Underthrown, overthrown, and not even in the ball park are common descriptions of throws during a game. And then there's the "I'm just going to throw it somewhere ball so I don't get sacked" which always results in the Rex INT.

While Griese may not be "the answer" as a few of you put it, I believe Rex is holding the team back. They will not win the Superbowl with him at QB. The lack of on-the-field leadership on offense is most troubling for me right now with the Bears. That defense and Devin Hester (God bless that guy) don't deserve this shit from the supposed leader on offense. Enough is enough. Sure Rex isn't only to blame, but he is the QB and he DOES suck. Somewhere Mac is smiling if he were to read this because I've had Nas' back when I've talked to him about this.


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Disagreed. Griese and Orton will get sacked just as easily if the blitz isn't picked up. Muhammed doesn't catch that pass with someone else throwing it (another time the blitz wasn't picked up by the way)... And Berrian fumbles that ball no matter who threw it to him. The interceptions were bad, but I'd credit that to a long day of good pressure from a good defensive scheme & and a TERRIBLE offensive line performance. I'm not a big fan of Rex, but the alternatives don't solve the offense's problems.


Mike I see where you're coming from and agree with your assessment. There was also a play where Rex threw the ball a little early and the wr (i think berrian) never turned back to look. The Bears receivers never anticipate anything unless its played out exactly the way its drawn out.

Some observations and opinions from a Colts fan. Please feel free to correct.

1. Leadership - I just don't see it from this guy (edit - Rex). You guys know the Bears far better than I do, but to me it seems he lacks leadership and the guys around him don't believe in him. That's why WR's never anticipate. This, to me, is also why these blitzes aren't being picked up. The first person to recognize a blitz should be the quarterback. This is never the case with Rex. I use to give him a pass on this and blame the RB or TE, but when you watch all the good QB's play, they recognize it at the line of scrimmage and make adjustments. When I watch, Rex has NEVER done this. If he has, please let me know. I don't recall it. That, to me, is a part of leadership. Rex isn't that guy. I do believe Brian Greise is capable of recognizing a blitz a bit better. Rex also has zero charisma. I think you got to have a little of that to. I just don't see it from him at all. That's why Bernard Berrian tried to throw Rex under the bus about that intercepted pass last week (which was Bernard's fault). No leadership. No respect for the QB. You have to have that if you're going to win the Superbowl.

2. Accuracy - Again, keep in mind this is from someone who has been rooting for Rex and even thought he'd be the most improved player for '07. And yes, the WR's have screwed him a few times on plays. However, Rex misses guys a lot. Underthrown, overthrown, and not even in the ball park are common descriptions of throws during a game. And then there's the "I'm just going to throw it somewhere ball so I don't get sacked" which always results in the Rex INT.

While Griese may not be "the answer" as a few of you put it, I believe Rex is holding the team back. They will not win the Superbowl with him at QB. The lack of on-the-field leadership on offense is most troubling for me right now with the Bears. That defense and Devin Hester (God bless that guy) don't deserve this shit from the supposed leader on offense. Enough is enough. Sure Rex isn't only to blame, but he is the QB and he DOES suck. Somewhere Mac is smiling if he were to read this because I've had Nas' back when I've talked to him about this.


Aside from the blitz recognition and the no respect from teammates part, I agree with you assessment of Rex. The blitz recognition isn't as much of a problem as the lack of blitz pick up by the running backs. But like I said before, there's no other quarterback currently on the roster that will be any better. Maybe Griese and Orton won't make some of the mistakes that Rex does, but the simple fact is that they're not prepared they way he is now and it's likely they'd make other mistakes that'll be as bad or worse than the mistakes that Rex make now. I'm just hoping the Bears can win a weak NFC and get lucky in the Super Bowl. Better to be lucky than good, right? It appears that'll be our only hope.


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I agree the blitz pick up just as atrocious. I just feel there are times when Rex needs to recognize the defense a bit better and have his ten guys ready for it.


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Here's what I think Rex needs to do to simplify things on plays that the defense is blitzing. He needs to go into the play with one of these two assumptions in his head: 1. assuming the blitz isn't gonna be picked up and key on his bail out read immediately and throw it away if it's not open... OR 2. assume that the blitz will get picked up and have the balls to go through your usual progression of reads and throw it to the open receiver, throw it away if it's not open or get sacked.
It seems like he knows there's a blitz and he waits to see if it get picked up and if it doesn't he panics and does something stupid i.e. fumble, interception, sack for 15 yards loss...& if it's picked up he starts making his reads, but by that time someone else is putting pressure on him. Anyone else see this or am I crazy?


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Disagreed. Griese and Orton will get sacked just as easily if the blitz isn't picked up. Muhammed doesn't catch that pass with someone else throwing it (another time the blitz wasn't picked up by the way)... And Berrian fumbles that ball no matter who threw it to him. The interceptions were bad, but I'd credit that to a long day of good pressure from a good defensive scheme & and a TERRIBLE offensive line performance. I'm not a big fan of Rex, but the alternatives don't solve the offense's problems.


Mike I see where you're coming from and agree with your assessment. There was also a play where Rex threw the ball a little early and the wr (i think berrian) never turned back to look. The Bears receivers never anticipate anything unless its played out exactly the way its drawn out.

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1. Leadership - I just don't see it from this guy (edit - Rex). You guys know the Bears far better than I do, but to me it seems he lacks leadership and the guys around him don't believe in him. That's why WR's never anticipate. This, to me, is also why these blitzes aren't being picked up. The first person to recognize a blitz should be the quarterback. This is never the case with Rex. I use to give him a pass on this and blame the RB or TE, but when you watch all the good QB's play, they recognize it at the line of scrimmage and make adjustments. When I watch, Rex has NEVER done this. If he has, please let me know. I don't recall it. That, to me, is a part of leadership. Rex isn't that guy. I do believe Brian Greise is capable of recognizing a blitz a bit better. Rex also has zero charisma. I think you got to have a little of that to. I just don't see it from him at all. That's why Bernard Berrian tried to throw Rex under the bus about that intercepted pass last week (which was Bernard's fault). No leadership. No respect for the QB. You have to have that if you're going to win the Superbowl.

2. Accuracy - Again, keep in mind this is from someone who has been rooting for Rex and even thought he'd be the most improved player for '07. And yes, the WR's have screwed him a few times on plays. However, Rex misses guys a lot. Underthrown, overthrown, and not even in the ball park are common descriptions of throws during a game. And then there's the "I'm just going to throw it somewhere ball so I don't get sacked" which always results in the Rex INT.

While Griese may not be "the answer" as a few of you put it, I believe Rex is holding the team back. They will not win the Superbowl with him at QB. The lack of on-the-field leadership on offense is most troubling for me right now with the Bears. That defense and Devin Hester (God bless that guy) don't deserve this shit from the supposed leader on offense. Enough is enough. Sure Rex isn't only to blame, but he is the QB and he DOES suck. Somewhere Mac is smiling if he were to read this because I've had Nas' back when I've talked to him about this.


Aside from the blitz recognition and the no respect from teammates part, I agree with you assessment of Rex. The blitz recognition isn't as much of a problem as the lack of blitz pick up by the running backs. But like I said before, there's no other quarterback currently on the roster that will be any better. Maybe Griese and Orton won't make some of the mistakes that Rex does, but the simple fact is that they're not prepared they way he is now and it's likely they'd make other mistakes that'll be as bad or worse than the mistakes that Rex make now. I'm just hoping the Bears can win a weak NFC and get lucky in the Super Bowl. Better to be lucky than good, right? It appears that'll be our only hope.


I agree with this except the blitz recognition. IMO Rex just never seems to see it coming and is always unprepared for the blitz. But in terms of the rest of your post I actually agree with sticking with Rex now. I can see them being good enough to get to the playoffs, and while Rex has the potential to kill them in a playoff game, if he somehow has 3 "good rex" games in a row, they could win the SB.

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