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SomeGuy

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:05 pm

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Hussra wrote:

You're the same guy that doctored Panthers PM stuff during BRicks failed tourney!

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SomeGuy

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:07 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Ya know I really shouldnt be criticizing anyones posting patterns. I shouldn't assume to know peoples thoughts either (though I formulated the opinion ased on your many posts seemingly marginalizing advanced stats)

We disagree on the Ortiz signing. So be it.

But when you do your anti Bernstein thing I usually think "id like his actual thoughts on this"

Anyway, I think we can all agree that Ortiz was waay underrated as a Cardinal

That's fair.

Can we be message board friends, again?

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Don Tiny

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:08 pm

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... feels 'pocket ghosts' ... :lol:

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SomeGuy

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:24 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

It isn't that I disagree on Theo signing Ortiz, it's that they signed 15 HR-75RBI-OBP Ortiz. That's the model of player Theo and Co. wanted, they signed Ortiz for being Minnesota Twins Ortiz. The advanced metrics and such didn't somehow magically predict that he'd turn into Boston Red Sox Monster Ortiz, neither did the crusty scouts, for that matter.

Right player, right time.

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hnd

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:30 pm

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who's your guy #1 seed TOB.

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Hussra

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:14 pm

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Ortiz had a solid 2nd half of 2002 (the season before he's DFA'd and picked up by Boston):

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pittmike

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:41 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

pittmike wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Hussra wrote:

The teams that make the most use of advanced stats in the NBA (Houston) and MLB (Oakland) typically over-perform in the regular season but can't win in the playoffs. They're like a blackjack player relentlessly heeding a conservative martingale strategy and so they never lose big but never win big either?

The Red Sox used advanced stats in winning two World Series

And before you post the Manny/Ortiz thing, just remember that Ortiz was signed mostly because of his ability to get on base.

Anyway, advanced stats help. They are not magic beans though.

Ortiz wasn't signed because his slugging with the cards the previous fall won them a series?

What? No, you're thinking of someone else

BTW,

The Twins released Ortiz after the season, after finding themselves unable to find a team willing to trade for him

Bet the Yankees wish they would have signed him.

I am mixed up obviously. I thought right after a Cards WS win their big bopper went somewhere else. Not Pujols obviously.

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Curious Hair

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:51 pm

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Are you thinking of Vladimir Guerrero signing with the Angels? They look like the Cardinals.

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SomeGuy

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:53 pm

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It looks like a major stroke has Pittmike on the run!

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pittmike

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:54 pm

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SomeGuy wrote:

It looks like a major stroke has Pittmike on the run!

Honestly I don't know. All this time I thought Big Pappi left a WS winner to go to Boston. :lol:

Who knows?

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Curious Hair

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:55 pm

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Curt Schilling left the Diamondbacks for the Red Sox. Were you thinking of that?

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pittmike

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 8:00 pm

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Curious Hair wrote:

Curt Schilling left the Diamondbacks for the Red Sox. Were you thinking of that?

IDK long time ago. Could be?

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 8:03 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Who knows?

Everyone. Everyone knows.

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spanky

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 10:00 pm

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Best sports-related exchange on this board in a while :lol:

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 10:32 pm

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The only cardinal player to go to the red sox after a WS in the last 30 years is Nick Punto

Mike are you thinking of Babe Ruth?

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lipidquadcab

Post subject: Re: 5/6: Pitching wins don't matter, you idiot

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:40 am

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Renteria became the Red Sox SS the year after they played in the 2004 World Series...of course, the Cards didn't win that series and I don't remember Renteria being a monster in that series, but it fits about as much of the criteria as possibly could given pittmike's scenario.