White Sox fans are always posting about the Cubs. Kirkwood is just giving it back. He's got people on the run.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Oh, Kirkwood is running, alright....

sox fans should rip on the cubs, they deserve it at this point.

So far "THE PLAN" hasnt impressed me, but willing to wait. Sounds great, but tell me the last time a Number 1, top 10 pick, didnt SOUND great from day 1. I guess I will answer my own question with Hayden Simpson. So TJJ, INC. looks great so far compared to Jim Hendry.

Or, I could say, would this team be in a better position if they kept cashner, still have Samardizja, castro, signed Abreu and went from there.

Sure the future looks great, but I bought my tickets for THIS YEAR and the previous 3 years, because this plan has been in palce for 3 years. Them sucking started before TJJ got here, so TJJ get the benefit of that Number 1 pick.

While I don't think any 3 year plans have been stated, mentioned specifically or written in stone, it has been implied on many occassions. I dont need a ring in year 4, but I do expect to see a .500 team!

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

The only thing I agree with from the article is if they get a great TV deal it might help financially and spur some spending. The rest is just stuff we all know.


Buffets interest is mildly interesting

In fairness, its the title of the Forbes article. Its not like Inquisitors take or anything

It's just tiring hear JORR and crew constantly whine about every Cubs article. We get it could fail. Thanks for news flash. Now go back to jerking it to newspaper clippings of zorro Versace or whatever made up sox player always crying is not getting enough focus.

I understand the frustration, but let me tell you that I had some Kirkwood chicken for dinner twice the week and it was delicious



The thing about the Rangers comparison is it doesn't make me feel any better. It just reminds me that you can build a powerhouse organization with guys from the minors and soend a lot on free agents..be the best team in baseball and NOT win the World Series


But If they become like the 09-12 Rangers that'll be superb

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
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Cubs fan: I'm excited for Bryant. He's performing well in AA.
Sox fan: lol, he's just prospect he can bust. In 1986 there was a prospect with his profile that busted. I've scouted Bryant extensively and don't like his future.
Cubs fan: woah, damn. What do you think about trayce Thompson?
Sox fan: who? The defensive lineman who played for the bears and dolphins? Are you stupid?

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
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Is that JORR driving?

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

I agree with Biggie that the plan is worthy of criticism right now since it is incomplete and a work in progress.

But we continue to go through this over and over again. Some make it seem that anything that is written or said in the media applies to all Cub fans here. It doesn't. Several of us continue to say that. We are willing to wait out the plan and see what happens. We are not guaranteeing success. We have no idea what will happen or when it will.

Interesting articles.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Big Cub fan bigfan just said what you hate hearing from Sox fans. The problem is, most of you want to rely on bigfan et al to buy the tickets while you watch the NFL Draft instead of your shitty team until the Year 2048 when they finally contend and you can jump back on the bandwagon with both feet and celebrate multiple champions with your teenage children while poor bigfan is in palliative care and jimmypasta is six feet under.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

cool story bro.

I have been a Cub fan since I was a kid. I have spent money on tickets etc when I lived in the area no matter whether they were good or bad. If I still lived in the area I would be doing the same this year.

I am not a bandwagon fan. The majority of guys here who are Cub fans are not bandwagon fans.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I don't understand this. Do you want Cubs fans to support the shitty current team or not? I thought you wanted fans to be more critical of the Cubs. The only way they can do that is not to attend games. But now you're calling the ones who don't support a rebuild bandwagon fans?

Of course, we all know that a certain cross-section of fans will still go. It's not like they're the Sox, for God sakes.

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I think you've got it backwards. Most of those who support a rebuild aren't spending money at the games. It's easy to turn off the TV and say Theo is great. It's harder to pay $75 to see Justin Ruggiano strike out.

I want one of the wealthiest teams in baseball to act like it. Anything less is unfair to fans and anyone who champions losing as part of a "plan" is nothing but an enabler.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

A greater chance exists of the Cubs repeating as World Series champs before JORR makes a consistent sensible argument.

Most of the die hard Cub fans I know do follow the team day-to-day, and they do get frustrated. I don’t know a single one who is worshipping Theo as you seem to suggest. They just have hope. And if the team isn't spending enough money, which seems to be the argument, that's Ricketts' fault.

My dad, the biggest Cub fan I know, didn't like Theo from the beginning and still bitches like he always has. But he places most of the blame on Ricketts. In fact, most of our debates end with him calling Ricketts a homo. He is not a politcally correct man.

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So you obviously do care. Like I said. 80% of sox nation are closet cubs fans.

I don't know who is to blame and don't really care. I just think it's silly to applaud terrible baseball and call it "necessary" and "part of a plan". You dad is the guy I feel bad for. Kirkwood will probably be around to see them when they finally win in twenty-five or thirty years. Not all Cub fans have that long to wait. Here's a SABRmetric analysis: a 60 year old man reasonably has twenty years to see a championship. Theo has just wasted 25% of those chances.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Ricketts is as much to blame and probably more so

Don't let facts get in the way. Theo made offers on Sanchez, Darvish, Tanaka Cespedes but was outbid. It's easier to blame Theon and Jed though.

Sounds like an Onion headline.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

JORR, you're my guy, but you start your post saying you don't care whose fault it is and end it by blaming Theo. If the argument is that the Cubs aren't trying to compete (which it clearly is), the blame should almost inarguably go to Ricketts. Theo is not sitting in a room begging Ricketts to lower the personnel budget. The only legit criticism of Theo is that he hasn't drafted well or is spending bad money. The latter clearly isn't the case because they aren't spending money. His coaching choices haven't been great, but that's about it.

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Edwin Jackson was terrible money.


Regardless of if it's Ricketts or Theo, they better win a World Series in the next 7-10 years. Considering how the past few seasons and this one went, anything less will make Theo's reign here a total failure. He has a shitload of games left to win just to match Hendry's winning % as a GM.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Agree on Jackson. Still a very small sample size.

And isn't the second part of your post obvious and true of any GM in any sport? I mean, would someone go out of their way to say that if Phil Emery's teams aren't good, his tenure will be a failure? I guess I don't get why Theo & Co are always in the cross hairs of Sox fans' comments. Do Sox fans go to New York message boards and state that if the Yankees are bad for years, Brian Cashman's tenure will be a failure? Of course not, because it goes without saying. The Cubs have been hopeless for a century. The past two years is a blip on the radar. It's not like there's a lost opportunity cost by having Theo at the helm. Every GM for the past century has failed to win.

And FWIW, I agree that there us media overlove of Theo and that they were in love when he first got here. But that's not the fans. If the Cubs suck much longer, die hard fans will roast him like anyone else. Some already are.

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I don't really go the route of criticizing Cub fans for supposed worship of Theo. I just remain very unimpressed with what he's done so far. If you want to grade his first 2.5-3 years here you can give him an incomplete and that would be fair to some extent. You could also give him an F and it would be just as fair. His teams have completely sucked since he took over. Rebuilds, even from the ground up or whatever bullshit the latest way to term it is, shouldn't be taking this long without showing any results. To be this bad for this long means only a World Series win, and nothing less, would be acceptable.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul