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Sam was projected to be a third/fourth round pick prior to the combine. To say he came out to ensure he was drafted is at best distorting the timeline of events and at worst straight up idiotic.



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Feb. 9, 2014, will one day be remembered as it should -- as the day in which a young man described himself with pride and honesty.

But make no mistake, it is also the day that Missouri defensive end Michael Sam's stock in the NFL Draft began to drop because he announced he was gay. He was already sliding due to concerns over the dreaded 'tweener label -- with some scouts viewing him as too short for defensive end and a project to convert to stand-up linebacker following an inconsistent week at the Senior Bowl.

NFLDraftScout.com has Sam ranked as the No. 110 overall prospect. An initial drop to 160 from 90 on Monday morning was part of a comprehensive adjustment in the rankings leading up to next week's scouting combine that generated movement among hundreds of prospects. In all, 65 of the top 350 prospects were affected by the rankings update, and Sam was never intended to drop past No. 110. The bottom line is Sam's announcement will affect his position on the draft boards of some teams, but NFLDraftScout.com currently projects him as a third- to fourth-round prospect overall, with all factors considered.


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Sam, cant play LB.

doesnt seem to be fast enough to play ST.

Somehow, he was SEC D player of the year.

I then assume he really does have a great first step as a pass rusher and we will see if he make it. Tough team to make it at that position.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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I have some mixed feelings about his decision to do the show. On one hand as a 7th round pick, he may make more money from this show than he makes from Football. On the other hand, I don't think it's going to help him to focus on Football to the degree I would think he should. As the top Defensive player in the Top conference in the NCAA, I don't dismiss his chances to make the Rams squad. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if he turns out to be a decent player. But if being an NFL linebacker is his top priority, he should make decisions that reflect that.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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lipidquadcab wrote:
Sam was projected to be a third/fourth round pick prior to the combine. To say he came out to ensure he was drafted is at best distorting the timeline of events and at worst straight up idiotic.



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Feb. 9, 2014, will one day be remembered as it should -- as the day in which a young man described himself with pride and honesty.

But make no mistake, it is also the day that Missouri defensive end Michael Sam's stock in the NFL Draft began to drop because he announced he was gay. He was already sliding due to concerns over the dreaded 'tweener label -- with some scouts viewing him as too short for defensive end and a project to convert to stand-up linebacker following an inconsistent week at the Senior Bowl.

NFLDraftScout.com has Sam ranked as the No. 110 overall prospect. An initial drop to 160 from 90 on Monday morning was part of a comprehensive adjustment in the rankings leading up to next week's scouting combine that generated movement among hundreds of prospects. In all, 65 of the top 350 prospects were affected by the rankings update, and Sam was never intended to drop past No. 110. The bottom line is Sam's announcement will affect his position on the draft boards of some teams, but NFLDraftScout.com currently projects him as a third- to fourth-round prospect overall, with all factors considered.


Look at some of the mock drafts from this board. IIRC some selected him in the 2nd and 3rd round.

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I was surprised branding and marketing monetizing guru Bernsie broke bad on this decision of the show today.

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I have some mixed feelings about his decision to do the show. On one hand as a 7th round pick, he may make more money from this show than he makes from Football. On the other hand, I don't think it's going to help him to focus on Football to the degree I would think he should. As the top Defensive player in the Top conference in the NCAA, I don't dismiss his chances to make the Rams squad. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if he turns out to be a decent player. But if being an NFL linebacker is his top priority, he should make decisions that reflect that.


I believe having the cameras around adds to the pressure.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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KDdidit wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Sam was projected to be a third/fourth round pick prior to the combine. To say he came out to ensure he was drafted is at best distorting the timeline of events and at worst straight up idiotic.



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Feb. 9, 2014, will one day be remembered as it should -- as the day in which a young man described himself with pride and honesty.

But make no mistake, it is also the day that Missouri defensive end Michael Sam's stock in the NFL Draft began to drop because he announced he was gay. He was already sliding due to concerns over the dreaded 'tweener label -- with some scouts viewing him as too short for defensive end and a project to convert to stand-up linebacker following an inconsistent week at the Senior Bowl.

NFLDraftScout.com has Sam ranked as the No. 110 overall prospect. An initial drop to 160 from 90 on Monday morning was part of a comprehensive adjustment in the rankings leading up to next week's scouting combine that generated movement among hundreds of prospects. In all, 65 of the top 350 prospects were affected by the rankings update, and Sam was never intended to drop past No. 110. The bottom line is Sam's announcement will affect his position on the draft boards of some teams, but NFLDraftScout.com currently projects him as a third- to fourth-round prospect overall, with all factors considered.


Look at some of the mock drafts from this board. IIRC some selected him in the 2nd and 3rd round.


Those were Burrito board members.

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This is exactly what people were talking about when they said that Sam could be a distraction. A TV production crew following him around at Rams camp would most certainly be considered a distraction. The Rams cant be happy about this.
If Sams was serious about being an NFL player, he would be working to improve on the God awful numbers that he put up at the NFL combine.

Kinda like HBO Hard Knocks filming your entire training camp, or the thousands of dopes who show up to cheer a practice? Those aren't distractions?

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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A lot of guys are projected early in the draft before the combine and workouts. Many fall down the draft board.

Some seem to think that it is just automatic that he fell because he is gay. Maybe he just isn't a good pro prospect?

The guys running these NFL teams are dealing with the reality of their jobs with every draft. If someone really thought he was good at football and could help them then they would be stupid to drop them because of their sexual preference.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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This is exactly what people were talking about when they said that Sam could be a distraction. A TV production crew following him around at Rams camp would most certainly be considered a distraction. The Rams cant be happy about this.
If Sams was serious about being an NFL player, he would be working to improve on the God awful numbers that he put up at the NFL combine.

Kinda like HBO Hard Knocks filming your entire training camp, or the thousands of dopes who show up to cheer a practice? Those aren't distractions?


Why are fans who go to a practice "dopes"?

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Kinda like HBO Hard Knocks filming your entire training camp, or the thousands of dopes who show up to cheer a practice? Those aren't distractions?


Why are fans who go to a practice "dopes"?


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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This is exactly what people were talking about when they said that Sam could be a distraction. A TV production crew following him around at Rams camp would most certainly be considered a distraction. The Rams cant be happy about this.
If Sams was serious about being an NFL player, he would be working to improve on the God awful numbers that he put up at the NFL combine.

Kinda like HBO Hard Knocks filming your entire training camp, or the thousands of dopes who show up to cheer a practice? Those aren't distractions?


Why are fans who go to a practice "dopes"?

Does this really need to be answered?

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Don Tiny wrote:
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Sam and Collins came out to make sure they got jobs.

Or...

...maybe, just maybe, they are professional athletes who don't want to hide who they are?


Michael Sam is, to this point, a professional athlete to the same extent you and I are Chinese.

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A lot of guys are projected early in the draft before the combine and workouts. Many fall down the draft board.

Some seem to think that it is just automatic that he fell because he is gay. Maybe he just isn't a good pro prospect?

The guys running these NFL teams are dealing with the reality of their jobs with every draft. If someone really thought he was good at football and could help them then they would be stupid to drop them because of their sexual preference.


Let's not pretend that some GM's wouldn't pass on him because he is gay and lets not act as if some genuinely passed on him because they believed he would be a distraction.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Kinda like HBO Hard Knocks filming your entire training camp, or the thousands of dopes who show up to cheer a practice? Those aren't distractions?


It would seem as though you're suggesting that an established NFL-related show there to film anyone and everyone on a given team is going to be reacted to by players and coaches the same as a half-assed show from Oprah's network there to film an unproven, low-drafted rookie.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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A lot of guys are projected early in the draft before the combine and workouts. Many fall down the draft board.

Some seem to think that it is just automatic that he fell because he is gay. Maybe he just isn't a good pro prospect?

The guys running these NFL teams are dealing with the reality of their jobs with every draft. If someone really thought he was good at football and could help them then they would be stupid to drop them because of their sexual preference.


Let's not pretend that some GM's wouldn't pass on him because he is gay and lets not act as if some genuinely passed on him because they believed he would be a distraction.

Let's also not pretend that the concerns about him being a distraction weren't genuine.

I really do hope he does well and helps break down some barriers but I believe this will have the opposite effect. I hope Im wrong.

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What if he was awesome? Would anyone pass on him for being gay if he was universally thought of as an All Pro in waiting?


Im not sure any GM is secure enough to pass


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A lot of guys are projected early in the draft before the combine and workouts. Many fall down the draft board.

Some seem to think that it is just automatic that he fell because he is gay. Maybe he just isn't a good pro prospect?

The guys running these NFL teams are dealing with the reality of their jobs with every draft. If someone really thought he was good at football and could help them then they would be stupid to drop them because of their sexual preference.


Let's not pretend that some GM's wouldn't pass on him because he is gay and lets not act as if some genuinely passed on him because they believed he would be a distraction.

Let's also not pretend that the concerns about him being a distraction weren't genuine.

I really do hope he does well and helps break down some barriers but I believe this will have the opposite effect. I hope Im wrong.


I believe I said that in the post you're quoting

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What if he was awesome? Would anyone pass on him for being gay if he was universally thought of as an All Pro in waiting?


Im not sure any GM is secure enough to pass


Yes. GM'S find reasons to pass on guys all the time.

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What if he was awesome? Would anyone pass on him for being gay if he was universally thought of as an All Pro in waiting?




No, any GM that passed on a universally acclaimed player just because he was gay would rightfully be on his way to getting fired.

Unless it was a case of blatently not needing a position and in that case they would trade the pick to someone else that would take the player.

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