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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Were the Rams aware of the reality show he was filming?


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Were the Rams aware of the reality show he was filming?

I don't believe so, that came out after the draft. I just don't see how they can be happy about that.

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Were the Rams aware of the reality show he was filming?

I don't believe so, that came out after the draft. I just don't see how they can be happy about that.


Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that no one, players included, are happy about that. And it isn't a 2-bit show, either, it's an OPRAH production.


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Were the Rams aware of the reality show he was filming?

I don't believe so, that came out after the draft. I just don't see how they can be happy about that.


Yeah talk about putting the Rams in a tight place. Now you have a camera crew following around your 7th round pick. If he sucks like most 7th rd picks do he gets cut and you look like jerks. You almost have to keep him on the team now.

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Yeah talk about putting the Rams in a tight place..



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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Were the Rams aware of the reality show he was filming?

I don't believe so, that came out after the draft. I just don't see how they can be happy about that.


Yeah talk about putting the Rams in a tight place. Now you have a camera crew following around your 7th round pick. If he sucks like most 7th rd picks do he gets cut and you look like jerks. You almost have to keep him on the team now.

If he can't play, it will be very tough to keep him on your roster. They are so limited with their roster, you can't just put somebody on there that you have no intention of playing.

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Wait...so a GM isn't gonna pass on a guy, just because he's gay, because they want to make the best football decision...

...but they are going to be worried about cutting a guy who sucks because doing so makes them look bad? Even if cutting him is the best decision?


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Were the Rams aware of the reality show he was filming?

I don't believe so, that came out after the draft. I just don't see how they can be happy about that.


Yeah talk about putting the Rams in a tight place. Now you have a camera crew following around your 7th round pick. If he sucks like most 7th rd picks do he gets cut and you look like jerks. You almost have to keep him on the team now.


Actually if Sam is bad, the TV show & circus could lead to Sam being cut sooner, & I think people might understand the team not wanting to deal with the added distractions.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Scorehead wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Were the Rams aware of the reality show he was filming?

I don't believe so, that came out after the draft. I just don't see how they can be happy about that.


Yeah talk about putting the Rams in a tight place. Now you have a camera crew following around your 7th round pick. If he sucks like most 7th rd picks do he gets cut and you look like jerks. You almost have to keep him on the team now.


Actually if Sam is bad, the TV show & circus could lead to Sam being cut sooner.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Yeah talk about putting the Rams in a tight place. Now you have a camera crew following around your 7th round pick. If he sucks like most 7th rd picks do he gets cut and you look like jerks. You almost have to keep him on the team now.


Actually if Sam is bad, the TV show & circus could lead to Sam being cut sooner.

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Wait...so a GM isn't gonna pass on a guy, just because he's gay, because they want to make the best football decision...

...but they are going to be worried about cutting a guy who sucks because doing so makes them look bad? Even if cutting him is the best decision?


Yes. It's pretty simple. Cutting him now makes it look like you are punishing him for all of this off field activity. The general public doesnt know that he is bad or good at football, they just see the Rams cutting this brave pioneer. Now you have idiots protesting that dont know anything about football.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Hank Scorpio wrote:

Yeah talk about putting the Rams in a tight place. Now you have a camera crew following around your 7th round pick. If he sucks like most 7th rd picks do he gets cut and you look like jerks. You almost have to keep him on the team now.


Actually if Sam is bad, the TV show & circus could lead to Sam being cut sooner.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Wait...so a GM isn't gonna pass on a guy, just because he's gay, because they want to make the best football decision...

...but they are going to be worried about cutting a guy who sucks because doing so makes them look bad? Even if cutting him is the best decision?


Yes. It's pretty simple. Cutting him now makes it look like you are punishing him for all of this off field activity. The general public doesnt know that he is bad or good at football, they just see the Rams cutting this brave pioneer. Now you have idiots protesting that dont know anything about football.

So we can say the whole argument that GMs always make the best football decision is pure bullshit then?


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lipidquadcab wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Wait...so a GM isn't gonna pass on a guy, just because he's gay, because they want to make the best football decision...

...but they are going to be worried about cutting a guy who sucks because doing so makes them look bad? Even if cutting him is the best decision?


Yes. It's pretty simple. Cutting him now makes it look like you are punishing him for all of this off field activity. The general public doesnt know that he is bad or good at football, they just see the Rams cutting this brave pioneer. Now you have idiots protesting that dont know anything about football.

So we can say the whole argument that GMs always make the best football decision is pure bullshit then?


When did I say that a GM always makes the best football decisions? I said that no way a GM passes on Sam if he was an all world talent.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Wait...so a GM isn't gonna pass on a guy, just because he's gay, because they want to make the best football decision...

...but they are going to be worried about cutting a guy who sucks because doing so makes them look bad? Even if cutting him is the best decision?


Yes. It's pretty simple. Cutting him now makes it look like you are punishing him for all of this off field activity. The general public doesnt know that he is bad or good at football, they just see the Rams cutting this brave pioneer. Now you have idiots protesting that dont know anything about football.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Sam
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Wait...so a GM isn't gonna pass on a guy, just because he's gay, because they want to make the best football decision...

...but they are going to be worried about cutting a guy who sucks because doing so makes them look bad? Even if cutting him is the best decision?


Yes. It's pretty simple. Cutting him now makes it look like you are punishing him for all of this off field activity. The general public doesnt know that he is bad or good at football, they just see the Rams cutting this brave pioneer. Now you have idiots protesting that dont know anything about football.

So we can say the whole argument that GMs always make the best football decision is pure bullshit then?


When did I say that a GM always makes the best football decisions? I said that no way a GM passes on Sam if he was an all world talent.

I didn't say you said it. Just the vibe I'm getting from a lot of people in this thread. On one hand people want to say his being gay had nothing to do with him slipping because if he's worthy of being picked, no GM is going to not pick him. On the other hand, we have multiple people saying now they can't cut him because it would make them look bad.


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I've been pretty consistent in my defense of the gays, but I would totally understand if a team didn't want to draft or keep him because of the media distractions. I don't think his stock fell because he was gay. It fell because there will be a media circus. Not necessarily Sam's fault, but the distraction will be present.

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I've been pretty consistent in my defense of the gays, but I would totally understand if a team didn't want to draft or keep him because of the media distractions. I don't think his stock fell because he was gay. It fell because there will be a media circus. Not necessarily Sam's fault, but the distraction will be present.


Well...................he did sign on to do an Oprah produced reality show and then not make it public until after he was drafted....


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I've been pretty consistent in my defense of the gays, but I would totally understand if a team didn't want to draft or keep him because of the media distractions. I don't think his stock fell because he was gay. It fell because there will be a media circus. Not necessarily Sam's fault, but the distraction will be present.


Well...................he did sign on to do an Oprah produced reality show and then not make it public until after he was drafted....


Agreed now. I meant before the draft.

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I've been pretty consistent in my defense of the gays, but I would totally understand if a team didn't want to draft or keep him because of the media distractions. I don't think his stock fell because he was gay. It fell because there will be a media circus. Not necessarily Sam's fault, but the distraction will be present.


If Michael Sam doesn't come out, then he never would have been drafted.

He was an awesome college football player who's physical tools didn't project success in the NFL.

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leashyourkids wrote:
I've been pretty consistent in my defense of the gays, but I would totally understand if a team didn't want to draft or keep him because of the media distractions. I don't think his stock fell because he was gay. It fell because there will be a media circus. Not necessarily Sam's fault, but the distraction will be present.


Well...................he did sign on to do an Oprah produced reality show and then not make it public until after he was drafted....


Agreed now. I meant before the draft.


Well you need to be more specific.

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Wow. I'd be lying if I said that didn't hurt a little.

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