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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 5:28 pm 
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Remember circa 2009-2010 when Bernstein would bitch and bitch about how homerish the media was being about the Hawks? All McDonough.


The good old days......before he became the Hawks #1 smart hockey fan who thinks his wife is a bandwagon Hawks fan.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:33 pm 
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You can pretty much nail it down that any thread created by dolphin in the Cubs section is trolling.

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I am going to start a campaign to oust Gary Bettman as Commissioner of the NHL & replace him with John McDonough. The NHL needs him.

He can't be commissioner. He's not a labor lawyer, or any lawyer. However, there were some rumblings that the league might have come calling if John Collins, the NHL's COO, had resigned in disgust over Bettman's last lockout, which he was very close to doing. Collins is the guy who came up with the Winter Classic and other big marketing moves that have helped the league.

McDonough obviously had good timing in terms of Toews/Kane being drafted and having nowhere to go but up, but he obviously made a huge difference on the marketing side. His real achievement was getting not fans, but media to love the Hawks. Remember circa 2009-2010 when Bernstein would bitch and bitch about how homerish the media was being about the Hawks? All McDonough.


The fact that Johnny Mac isn't a Lawyer is a plus. The Commish doesn't have to be a Lawyer. He can hire Lawyers. The NHL needs a Marketing guy...& Bettman & the current NHL team isn't doing a very good job at Marketing the sport.

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Really? I think the NHL has been marketing itself quite well as of late -- no thanks to Bettman, of course, who would rather shut the whole league down to claw back a few percentage points of revenue.

One of the best things the NHL has done is something it didn't do, which was to foster an adversarial relationship with YouTube. They've always been very laissez-faire about fans uploading video because they recognized that it's free publicity. It used to be that uploading anything from the NFL or MLB would get pulled and probably get your account zapped. Now, baseball has had a change of heart and not only has benign neglect toward people who upload entire games, but uploads plenty of games and clips themselves. It's been such a treat to go back and watch old Cubs games, old Dodgers games (for Vin Scully), All-Star Games, you name it. That wouldn't have happened if the NHL hadn't shown that you can look the other way on that kind of thing and not just survive, but thrive.

In terms of marketing, the NHL will always be hobbled by hockey culture: the same principles that get everyone dripping wet from watching handshake lines and trying to play through heart attacks are the same ones that make hockey players stiflingly deferential and low-profile. So much of North American sports marketing is about players putting themselves above the game, but if you try to put yourself above the game in hockey, someone will literally try to punch you in the face. Look what happens to P.K. Subban. One of his coaches made him stop high-fiving Carey Price because it was too ostentatious. People were shaming Patrick Kane for yelling "SHOWTIME" after a goal. What the hell are you supposed to do with that?

So in the absence of player-based marketing, all you can really do is go out of your way to make your product accessible and available, and I think the NHL has done that as well as they can.

What are some of your ideas for how the NHL can market itself better, or could have marketed itself better? Don't take it as a hostile challenge; I'm legitimately interested in what people think about this.

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Really? I think the NHL has been marketing itself quite well as of late -- no thanks to Bettman, of course, who would rather shut the whole league down to claw back a few percentage points of revenue.


You just made my point.

Who do you think would do a better job of marketing the NHL...Gary Bettman or John McDonough?

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But Bettman's job isn't to market the league. His job is to represent the league in negotiations with the union, governments, and other entities the league conducts business with. On those fronts, he has successfully taken away 7% of labor's revenue, created a slush fund for southern teams, and secured $75 million over five years to subsidize the Phoenix Coyotes (tax dollars, natch). He's one dirty motherfucker for doing all those things, but he wanted to do them and he did.

Here's some info on John Collins, who is third in command behind Bettman and Uncle Fester:

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On April 20, 2011, the NHL and NBC Sports Group announced a 10-year broadcast deal reportedly worth $2 billion – roughly $125 million a year more than reported sums under the previous NHL deal with Versus. Starting with the 2011-12 season, NBC Sports Group is broadcasting 100 regular season hockey games across its networks and for the first time all NHL playoff games are broadcast nationally. By showing every game of the playoffs nationally, the NHL can create “eight weeks of nonstop coverage,” said Collins, who was the lead strategist on the deal.
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In February 2011, Collins negotiated a sponsorship deal for Coors to become the official beer of the NHL -- MillerCoors in the United States and MolsonCoors in Canada. Worth $375 million over seven years, The New York Times called it the biggest corporate sponsorship in N.H.L. history, noting, “For the N.H.L., the new beer sponsorship demonstrates its progress in recent years, especially in reaching young, affluent, technologically savvy fans who love their ice-cold suds.”
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In November 2013, Collins led the NHL negotiations to partner with Rogers Communications for exclusive rights to broadcast all national hockey telecasts in Canada. Estimated to more than double its Canadian television revenue, the 12-year deal is worth $5.2 billion.
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In 2007, Collins spearheaded the development of the NHL Winter Classic, played outdoors on New Year’s Day, with NBC Sports executive Jon Miller, who told The Boston Globe that the key to making the game successful was “Collins’s vision, energy, and passion.” The Classic’s success earned Collins Marketer of the Year by Advertising Age Magazine. Sports Illustrated columnist Dan Shaughnessy said of the new Winter Classic, “now hockey owns New Year's Day the way baseball owns the Fourth of July and football owns Thanksgiving.”


So there is someone at the NHL who knows what he's doing on the marketing front.

The truth is that Bettman should have lost his job after his first lockout. He bumbled the CBA negotiations so badly that the only way to get a deal done was for the league's strongest owners to go around him. This created a landscape with no safety net for small markets -- just the way Toronto, Philadelphia, and New York wanted it. This squeezed out Quebec City, Winnipeg, and Hartford, which ramped up Bettman's southern/western push at the expense of the league's stability. Because of the inequity among teams, the league was forced to expand beyond its means so that failing teams could keep getting expansion money. No salary cap, no way to check spending, and before you know it, the whole system is broken, time for another lockout. So while he may be a shrewd negotiator now, the NHL is a mess because of him.

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