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The rooftops are essential to the Wrigley feel for me. Do whatever you need but don't change the perfect outfield view


My only "untouchables" for Wrigley:

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I would suggest replacing the scoreboard. You could make it look somewhat like the old one but have the huge screen they're so desperate for incorporated. You could even keep the hand scoring panels, at least for just the Cub game or maybe for the NL Central games. Putting huge video boards on either side of the outfield is probably going to destroy the feel of the park.

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What would the Reinsdorf video equivalent have looked like 25 years ago? Him in Florida showing animations of moving trucks packing up old comiskey and hopping on the Dan Ryan south? His pockets hanging out crying broke and he needs our money?


He didn't need a video. He had the right friends. And he didn't make those friends by agreeing to a deal and then springing a video like this on them without discussing it first.

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I hope Beth and George will be forced off their host with a cigarette.

Should have happened a year ago.
I'll be shocked if the rooftop scum even sees the case to a verdict. If you READ the contract the Cubs have every right to expand as they wish.

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I hope Beth and George will be forced off their host with a cigarette.

Should have happened a year ago.
I'll be shocked if the rooftop scum even sees the case to a verdict. If you READ the contract the Cubs have every right to expand as they wish.


Could you post a link to the Contract?

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I'll be shocked if the rooftop scum even sees the case to a verdict. If you READ the contract the Cubs have every right to expand as they wish.
If that were true then this video by Ricketts would not even exist.

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I thought last year we learned that the contract said the Cubs could do whatever the city council approves. If that is true then this video means Rickets's is saying he is done trying to be nice and they are going forward I would say. If that isn't the case I guess the teamroller is revving up and they will drag this around court for years.

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I thought last year we learned that the contract said the Cubs could do whatever the city council approves. If that is true then this video means Rickets's is saying he is done trying to be nice and they are going forward I would say. If that isn't the case I guess the teamroller is revving up and they will drag this around court for years.


My guess is that Emanuel is pissed. He thought they had a deal and now this fuckhead comes up with this. But I also think Rahm wants to get this shit done and the likelihood is that he will steamroll Tunney and jam it through his landmarks commission but it's going to be with a warning that there is no more heel-dragging. We okay this and you get the renovations moving tomorrow and the fucking hotel too. They'll have to deal with the rooftops in court.

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6.6 The Cubs shall not erect windscreens or other barriers to obstruct the views of the Rooftops, provided however that temporary items such as banners, flags and decorations for special occasions, shall not be considered as having been erected to obstruct views of the Rooftops. Any expansion of Wrigley Field approved by governmental authorities shall not be a violation of this Agreement, including this section.

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6.1 If the Cubs expand the Wrigley Field bleacher seating and such expansion so impairs the view from any Rooftop into Wrigley Field such that the Rooftop's business is no longer viable unless it increases the height of its available seating, then such Rooftop may in its discretion elect to undertake construction to raise the height of its seating to allow views into Wrigley Field and the Cubs shall reimburse the Rooftop for 17% of the actual cost of such construction.

6.2 If the Cubs expand the Wrigley Field bleacher seating and such expansion so impairs the view from any Rooftop into Wrigley Field such that the Rooftop's business is no longer viable even if it were to to increase its available seating to the maximum height permitted by law, and if such bleacher expansion is completed within eight years from the Effective Date, then if such Rooftop elects to cease operations before the beginning of the next baseball season following completion of such expansion, the Cubs shall reimburse that Rooftop for 50% of the royalties paid by the Rooftop to the Cubs during the time between the Effective Date and the date of expansion of the Wrigley Field bleachers. The Cubs shall pay such reimbursement to the Rooftop within 30 days of receiving notice from the Rooftop it is no longer viable and has ceased operations. Any Rooftop receiving payment from the Cubs pursuant to this provision shall cease operations for the remainder of the Term and shall not seek or accept any compensation or benefit related to activity on a Rooftop on a day of a Game.

6.3 In the event of a dispute between the Cubs and any Rooftop regarding whether such Rooftop remains viable pursuant to Section 6.1 or 6.2 or whether (or to what extent) construction of new seating is required pursuant to Section 6.1, either Party may request such dispute be resolved pursuant to binding arbitration between the Parties pursuant to Section 9 below.

6.4 If the Cubs expand the Wrigley Field bleacher seating and such expansion impairs the view from any Rooftop into Wrigley Field such that Rooftop's Gross Revenue in the year of expansion is more than 10% below the average Gross Revenue for that Rooftop in the two years prior to expansion (normalizing for number of Games played, in rain-outs and doubleheaders, playoff games, work stoppage, replacement players, and the like), then the affected Rooftop can seek a reduction in the Royalty rate for all subsequent years of the Term. Upon such request, the parties shall meet and negotiate in good faith a new Royalty. If the Parties cannot agree, then the Rooftop may submit the issue of its appropriate Royalty rate to binding arbitration pursuant to Section 9.

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 Post subject: Re: Ricketts Video
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6.6 The Cubs shall not erect windscreens or other barriers to obstruct the views of the Rooftops, provided however that temporary items such as banners, flags and decorations for special occasions, shall not be considered as having been erected to obstruct views of the Rooftops. Any expansion of Wrigley Field approved by governmental authorities shall not be a violation of this Agreement, including this section.


Do you have a link to the Contract? Also, I think it's open to interpretation whether the approved renovations constitute an "expansion". That's why they have Chancery judges.

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 Post subject: Re: Ricketts Video
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Cubs lawyers don't think the contract is clear. If they did, then there wouldn't be any issue here. They'd be moving forward with it.

There is clearly some leverage on the side of the rooftop owners here.

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867, A guy with your screen name and sig certainly has all the credibility in the world.

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867, A guy with your screen name and sig certainly has all the credibility in the world.


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LOL I hope you're being ironic and don't make life decisions based on what some random guy on a message board said..........if you do might I suggest putting a cue ball in your mouth just to prove it will fit.

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I hope Beth and George will be forced off their host with a cigarette.

Should have happened a year ago.
I'll be shocked if the rooftop scum even sees the case to a verdict. If you READ the contract the Cubs have every right to expand as they wish.


If YOU read it they have that right. If I read it, I see the ambiguous language centered within a discussion about seating capacity and think that expansion clearly means expansion of the seating capacity or other bulk requirements commonly recognized in this area of law.

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Notice how he never references pinch hitters warming up for those chilly days in the Fall

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I am hoping that this situations drags out & gets even uglier & Tommy Boy finally says "FUCK IT...we're building a new stadium elsewhere."

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I mean, I'll give him that the clubhouse is pretty lame. But I'm not drawing a straight line between "build new clubhouses" and "breach contracts."


He acts like the visiting teams have better facilities with batting cages. That visitor's clubhouse is the worst place on earth. How is that a disadvantage for the Cubs?


Not defending Ricketts or the Cubs here. I find most all it laughable, and I'm a Cubs fan / season ticket holder. I'm not a nostalgic fan of Wrigley Field. In response to your comment though...the Cubs play 81 games a year there. Visiting teams obviously play much less. If they are staying at Wrigley, they do need to improve the player facilities for both. Maybe I'll make a sappy youtube video explaining this! :)


Of course there are Cub fans like you who will follow the Cubs wherever they play. Every team has those fans. Some have more than others. The Cubs probably have more than most. But a lot of their fanbase is made up of Wrigley fans too. I was watching Hot Dog Paradise last night. And there was a couple from out of town at Hot Doug's. The guy said, "There are two things you have to do when you're in Chicago- see Wrigley Field and go to Hot Doug's." I may disagree with that, but I will note that the guy said "see Wrigley Field", not "see a Cub game".

As for the facilities, I know the Cubs play more games at Wrigley than any other team, but in the games that they do play there, both they and their opponents have to hit off a tee into the same kind of net to warm up, don't they? When the Cubs go on the road they don't take the tee and the net with them, do they? Or am I missing something?


Depends if you are talking game to game for "warming up" or overall for practicing and working on their game over the course of a given season. You cannot deny Wrigley Field offers very little in regards to "off field" training options. It is what it is...and my guess is it does not compare to other stadiums. Talk About Hot Dougs or Wrigley or American Doll stores or Field Museum or Navy Pier or whatever the hell you want, I give a fuck! You are correct that Wrigley is a tourist attraction. So what? Yes...they will stay there because of it! So what? As a fan I'd just like to see them get the amenities and facilities they want and think they need. That will include updates FOR visiting teams as well.

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As for the facilities, I know the Cubs play more games at Wrigley than any other team, but in the games that they do play there, both they and their opponents have to hit off a tee into the same kind of net to warm up, don't they? When the Cubs go on the road they don't take the tee and the net with them, do they? Or am I missing something?


You're right, and the more I think about it, the more this line of complaining pisses me off. Whining about a poor warmup area for pinch hitters (which is the same or probably nicer than that given to the visiting team) is no different than bitching that the sun gets in players' eyes in day games, or the ivy doesn't provide protection, or the lights have dead zones. In fact, it's probably worse because Ricketts has always had the power to something about the clubhouse.

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I am hoping that this situations drags out & gets even uglier & Tommy Boy finally says "FUCK IT...we're building a new stadium elsewhere."

Look how pissed people are in Atlanta, and no one even has a sentimental attachment to Turner Field. Sometimes I don't get you.

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I am hoping that this situations drags out & gets even uglier & Tommy Boy finally says "FUCK IT...we're building a new stadium elsewhere."

Look how pissed people are in Atlanta, and no one even has a sentimental attachment to Turner Field. Sometimes I don't get you.


Please don't compare anything sports related in Chicago to Atlanta. ATL might be the worst sports city in the country.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The rooftops are essential to the Wrigley feel for me. Do whatever you need but don't change the perfect outfield view


My only "untouchables" for Wrigley:

Ivy
Scoreboard
Bullpens


I would suggest replacing the scoreboard. You could make it look somewhat like the old one but have the huge screen they're so desperate for incorporated. You could even keep the hand scoring panels, at least for just the Cub game or maybe for the NL Central games. Putting huge video boards on either side of the outfield is probably going to destroy the feel of the park.

This is such an obvious move there really should never have been an argument. An updated version of the scoreboard is fine


I don't like blocking the rooftops because the behind home plate view is perfect. In fact that's a good way to look at it

If I look out and see the ivy, a green scoreboard in center and the buildings beyond I'm good. Change anything else


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
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The rooftops are essential to the Wrigley feel for me. Do whatever you need but don't change the perfect outfield view


My only "untouchables" for Wrigley:

Ivy
Scoreboard
Bullpens


I would suggest replacing the scoreboard. You could make it look somewhat like the old one but have the huge screen they're so desperate for incorporated. You could even keep the hand scoring panels, at least for just the Cub game or maybe for the NL Central games. Putting huge video boards on either side of the outfield is probably going to destroy the feel of the park.

This is such an obvious move there really should never have been an argument. An updated version of the scoreboard is fine


I don't like blocking the rooftops because the behind home plate view is perfect. In fact that's a good way to look at it

If I look out and see the ivy, a green scoreboard in center and the buildings beyond I'm good. Change anything else


You haven't seen ridiculous until you've seen a preservationists response to altering something they feel is historical. They would make the Murphy woman look sober and rational

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