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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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I'm more impressed with Flowers .370 month. he may return to suck but I didn't think there would be that sustained excellence over any point in his career.

I think there is a lot of indications that Steverson is having a big impact on this team.

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I'm more impressed with Flowers .370 month. he may return to suck but I didn't think there would be that sustained excellence over any point in his career.

Think he's on PED's maybe?

I dont know if he is bigger or what, but I was thinking a guy in his position getting his last chance...it would be borderline understandable
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he actually looks more like Mr. Slappy from what I've seeen. Apparently his BABIP is absurd and will not last. Plus he was hurt last year which couldn't have helped. If he can hit .250 that would be a victory.

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I DON'T THink flowers is a fluke, he looks smaller n goin the other way for singles when he has to...i think he can cool off but still hit 280

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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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some dude on southsidesox said flowers' babip was .600. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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some dude on southsidesox said flowers' babip was .600. :lol:



That dude would be correct.... an average BABIP is .290-.300 so it would appear that Tyler is in for some regression to to the mean

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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
some dude on southsidesox said flowers' babip was .600. :lol:



That dude would be correct.... an average BABIP is .290-.300 so it would appear that Tyler is in for some regression to to the mean

Just to get my guy hatchetmans back, I'm positive he knows what norm bapip is
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Updated - 30 games, 133 PA

.267/.331/.625/.956 11 HR, 33 RBI

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Updated - 30 games, 133 PA

.267/.331/.625/.956 11 HR, 33 RBI

Yeah but can he batflip a ball that stays in the park and stretch it into a triple?
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Updated - 30 games, 133 PA

.267/.331/.625/.956 11 HR, 33 RBI

Yeah but can he batflip a ball that stays in the park and stretch it into a triple?

Trick question. Every time the ball leaves his bat it lands in the stands.

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White Sox first baseman Jose Abreu has been named American League Player and Rookie of the Month for April, becoming the first AL player ever to receive both honors in his first month in the major leagues.

Abreu, 27, hit .270 (31-115) with eight doubles, one triple, 10 home runs, 32 RBI, 20 runs scored and nine walks over 29 games in March/April. He led the major leagues in home runs, RBI, total bases (32) and extra-base hits (19), ranked fifth in slugging percentage (.617), tied for 7th in multihit games (11) and tied for 10th in runs scored (20).
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/ar ... -700696263

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White Sox first baseman Jose Abreu has been named American League Player and Rookie of the Month for April, becoming the first AL player ever to receive both honors in his first month in the major leagues.

Abreu, 27, hit .270 (31-115) with eight doubles, one triple, 10 home runs, 32 RBI, 20 runs scored and nine walks over 29 games in March/April. He led the major leagues in home runs, RBI, total bases (32) and extra-base hits (19), ranked fifth in slugging percentage (.617), tied for 7th in multihit games (11) and tied for 10th in runs scored (20).
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/ar ... -700696263


almost as good as Anthony Rizzo

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Abroo will adjust. He's made in game adjustments from at bat to at bat. I don't think he'll hit 60 HRs and have 180RBIs, but his numbers will be damn good.


Doesn't his .312 OBP scare you? Couldn't believe it was that low. Obviously his slugging makes his OPS awesome, but I just can't believe it's only .312.
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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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It's certainly not ideal, but I'd rather have my slugger be great at slugging than drawing walks. I'm fine with Abreu's production so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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Not really. He has Dunn, Ramirez, & Viceido behind him who have been pretty damn good run producers when Abreu doesn't drive them in himself. I'd worry about a 312 OBP from a leadoff guy, but I want my 3rd place hitter driving in runs.

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Not really. He has Dunn, Ramirez, & Viceido behind him who have been pretty damn good run producers when Abreu doesn't drive them in himself. I'd worry about a 312 OBP from a leadoff guy, but I want my 3rd place hitter driving in runs.

So you think he should be hitting fourth instead?

Three hitter is usually a high BA / high OBP guy...the best "batter" in the lineup. Not necessarily the guy with the most power. More PA give him a chance to get on base more...and allow that fourth hitter more RBI opportunities by having the best 3 OBP guys on in front of him.

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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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OPB is the more important part of OPS for all hitters.
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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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He has hit cleanup at times this year. He obviously has been doing just fine where ever he bats in then lineup. I'd keep hitting him 3rd. I would guess that his OBP would improve as he continues to learn MLB pitching, and gets pitched around in certain situations.

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He has hit cleanup at times this year. He obviously has been doing just fine where ever he bats in then lineup. I'd keep hitting him 3rd. I would guess that his OBP would improve as he continues to learn MLB pitching, and gets pitched around in certain situations.

Or it will go down as MLB pitching learns him.

Adjustments go both ways. Finding out who gets the best of those will take more than 2 months of a debut season.

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I am willing to bet that his OBP at the end of the season is higher than .312, unless they have to amputate his ankle.


Updated (Abreu hasn't played since 5-17)
Abreu; 15HR, 42 RBI, .908 OPS, 11 doubles, 29 R, .260avg

Rizzo; 8 HR, 24 RBI, .836 OPS, 5 doubles, 31 R, .263avg

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I am willing to bet that his OBP at the end of the season is higher than .312, unless they have to amputate his ankle.


Updated (Abreu hasn't played since 5-17)
Abreu; 15HR, 42 RBI, .908 OPS, 11 doubles, 29 R, .260avg

Rizzo; 8 HR, 24 RBI, .836 OPS, 5 doubles, 31 R, .263avg

It won't be. He's a hacker who can't run.
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He can trot just fine. Signature bet?

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I guess no one has heard of .350 hitter Conor Gillaspie hitting third.

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I'm ok with Abreu being CLEARLY SUPERIOR as opposed to FAR SUPERIOR to Rizzo.

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As posted in the Cubs section;


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Negligible difference: .001 - .010 OPS
Marginal difference: .011 - .050 OPS
Noticeable difference: .051 - .09599999999 OPS
Vast difference: .0960 - .150 OPS
'Let's not even compare these two' difference (aka the Jackson-Trout difference): .151 and up OPS

Abreu; 17HR, 47RBI, 31R, .265avg, .315OBP, .934 OPS (46 games)
Rizzo; 10HR, 28RBI, 33R, .267avg, .398 OBP, .755 OPS (53 games)

Abreu is plus .179 in OPS, so now its not even "far superior" its 'Let's not even compare these two' difference.

Steve Stone appears to be 100% on the money so far, bigfan.

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.315 obp and 31 runs stick out. Needs to get on base more (when he's not hitting homeruns)
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Plus .179 in OPS also sticks out.

I'll let the first two guys in the lineup worry about getting on base. The 3rd hitter in the lineup should be knocking in runs, which Abreu has been doing just about better than everybody in MLB this season so far.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Plus .179 in OPS also sticks out.

Only if you compare it to a Cubs player.

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I'll let the first two guys in the lineup worry about getting on base. The 3rd hitter in the lineup should be knocking in runs

Interesting phiosophy
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Because the three hitter has been well-known throughout eons as the team's cleanup hitter.

Oh wait.

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Because the team with a high OPS guy hitting 3rd didn't just go thru a 16 inning scoreless streak and has the worst record in baseball.

Oh wait...

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