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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:23 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:24 pm 
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Probably more like Times Square or Las Vegas Boulevard.

Do all stadiums remind you of these locales?

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Is the perspective on this all fucked up or are they going to have wack-ass field dimensions now?

I fail to see how any of this is better than what they have now. Why are there extra light towers? Are those areas insufficiently lit now?

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Is the perspective on this all fucked up or are they going to have wack-ass field dimensions now?

I fail to see how any of this is better than what they have now. Why are there extra light towers? Are those areas insufficiently lit now?

Yes, Wrigley is notorious for having "dark corners" with its current lighting.

I don't believe the playing field dimensions will be changing at all.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:29 pm 
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Only the Cubs would release a mock up with the sightlines from an obstructed view seat.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:29 pm 
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Probably more like Times Square or Las Vegas Boulevard.

Do all stadiums remind you of these locales?



To a certain degree they do. All flashing lights and screaming sound systems. The attendance so many Cub fans are so proud of is largely dependent on people going to one of the last places that isn't like that. Is that really so hard to grasp?

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Is the perspective on this all fucked up or are they going to have wack-ass field dimensions now?

I fail to see how any of this is better than what they have now. Why are there extra light towers? Are those areas insufficiently lit now?

Yes, Wrigley is notorious for having "dark corners" with its current lighting.

I don't believe the playing field dimensions will be changing at all.


But once the bullpens are gone I would expect a further reduction of foul territory as another few rows of seats are added where they used to be.

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How can you further reduce Wrigley's foul territory? There's practically no foul territory now!

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Only the Cubs would release a mock up with the sightlines from an obstructed view seat.


:lol: Jesus, this is the most incompetent team in sports, or at least top three.

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How can you further reduce Wrigley's foul territory? There's practically no foul territory now!



They'll jam some rows in where the bullpens are currently.

And the old scoreboard looks absurd among the monolithic jumbotrons. It's worse than the stupid columns ar Soldier Field.

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Probably more like Times Square or Las Vegas Boulevard.

Do all stadiums remind you of these locales?



To a certain degree they do. All flashing lights and screaming sound systems. The attendance so many Cub fans are so proud of is largely dependent on people going to one of the last places that isn't like that. Is that really so hard to grasp?

Evidently.
I've never really heard people say that sports stadiums remind them of Las Vegas.

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Only the Cubs would release a mock up with the sightlines from an obstructed view seat.

Huh?

That's a wide screen video screen with zero obstructions in it.

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Probably more like Times Square or Las Vegas Boulevard.

Do all stadiums remind you of these locales?



To a certain degree they do. All flashing lights and screaming sound systems. The attendance so many Cub fans are so proud of is largely dependent on people going to one of the last places that isn't like that. Is that really so hard to grasp?

Evidently.
I've never really heard people say that sports stadiums remind them of Las Vegas.



There aren't slot machines in them if that's what you mean. There are huge banks of bright lights and constantly changing signs.

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There are huge banks of bright lights and constantly changing signs.

Sounds like a typical trip on the Stevenson.

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There are huge banks of bright lights and constantly changing signs.

Sounds like a typical trip on the Stevenson.



I don't want to watch a ballgame there either.

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There are huge banks of bright lights and constantly changing signs.

Sounds like a typical trip on the Stevenson.



I don't want to watch a ballgame there either.

Do you like to watch sports while you're in Vegas? Most guys I know like to.

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There are huge banks of bright lights and constantly changing signs.

Sounds like a typical trip on the Stevenson.



I don't want to watch a ballgame there either.

Do you like to watch sports while you're in Vegas? Most guys I know like to.


I like to watch a boxing match when I'm out there. Otherwise I watch a lot of TV.

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A winning Cubs team will not have a problem drawing fans.


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Do you like to watch sports while you're in Vegas? Most guys I know like to.
I like to watch a boxing match when I'm out there. Otherwise I watch a lot of TV.
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A winning Cubs team will not have a problem drawing fans.


Right, but there's quite an assumption in that statement.

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A winning Cubs team will not have a problem drawing fans.


Right, but there's quite an assumption in that statement.

Im not assuming it will happen.

Im just saying a First place Cub team will not have problems drawing.


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I ran some rough numbers. If the Cubs are spending $375M, at a 10% required rate of return (normally you use 12%), they would have to expect over $41M a year in additional profit to make this a worthwhile project. It seems like the front end number is awful big, but I don't know what the incremental revenue would be from all this signage and additional seats. I'd love to see their math. Maybe they are imputing the additional value on the franchise in their calculations, like these renovations will make the team worth another $500M.

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I ran some rough numbers. If the Cubs are spending $375M, at a 10% required rate of return (normally you use 12%), they would have to expect over $41M a year in additional profit to make this a worthwhile project. It seems like the front end number is awful big, but I don't know what the incremental revenue would be from all this signage and additional seats. I'd love to see their math. Maybe they are imputing the additional value on the franchise in their calculations, like these renovations will make the team worth another $500M.



All I can guess Denis is signage/jumbotron fees seemingly are a helluva lot bigger than I ever thought.

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Cubs prez Crane Kenney expecting lawsuit from rooftops but holds that outfield signs are "expansion" of the park and don't violate terms.

This is going have a horrific ending. Whatever Crane Kenney touches turns into a grim disaster.


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Mayor Rahm Emanuel declared that his handpicked Commission on Chicago Landmarks would not consider the revised plan to build seven outfield signs, including a second video scoreboard, 300 new seats and new outfield light standards because there were elements of it that no one at City Hall had ever seen before that would impact landmarked elements of the century-old stadium.

The mayor pointed specifically to the plan to create more space for seats by moving the bullpens from foul territory to an area beneath the bleachers; the team released drawings showing parts of the outfield wall removed to give relief pitchers a view of the field.


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“At my direction, Ald. [Pat] O’Connor was meeting with the rooftop industry as well as the owners of Wrigley for months trying to work through the issue and there are things….he said he had not seen before. So this is not ready for next week and they have work to do,” the mayor said.

“In all the meetings Pat O’Connor had or with Planning, nobody ever saw that [plan to relocate the bullpens]. It was first seen yesterday. That’s why you don’t take something that’s been there for 100 years and just try to rush it in a week…This recent submission is not ready for next week and there won’t be a meeting or a hearing on it [by the Landmarks Commission] because there’s new things that have been submitted.”


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Source: Mayor's #Cubs comments today are "political cover," and any issues are minor. Team and city still anticipate approval of plans.


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Rahm needs to provide the appearance that #Cubs plans' approval is not a rubber-stamping (which it pretty much is).

He's been wrong so many times on this situation. Love his matter-of-fact attitude.


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Source: Mayor's #Cubs comments today are "political cover," and any issues are minor. Team and city still anticipate approval of plans.


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Rahm needs to provide the appearance that #Cubs plans' approval is not a rubber-stamping (which it pretty much is).

He's been wrong so many times on this situation. Love his matter-of-fact attitude.
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The best part of that is that if the Cubs and Rahm are really making secret deals, the Cubs are then immediately leaking it to the media and making it a topic on sports radio.

Bernstein mentioning it makes it highly unlikely he is right unless the Cubs really want to make the mayor mad.

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I hate this whole thing.

I fucking HATE non baseball baseball stuff to begin with and this is just the worst


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Source: Mayor's #Cubs comments today are "political cover," and any issues are minor. Team and city still anticipate approval of plans.


Dan Bernstein‏@dan_bernstein·
Rahm needs to provide the appearance that #Cubs plans' approval is not a rubber-stamping (which it pretty much is).

He's been wrong so many times on this situation. Love his matter-of-fact attitude.


He will claim he was correct when it gets passed even after it goes through a change in substance.

Continuance of a month or two is a slap on the wrist no matter how the Cubs or ignorant Dan want to paint it. While the dates might seem insignificant, it is most likely adding 6+ months to a project they estimated could start in July.

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Should have moved away...



Part of me wants to believe this whole fiasco is their way of surreptitiously putting themselves into what they can attempt to convince the 'public' is a corner from which the only way to get themselves out of is to recant the pledge to never move from Wrigley Field.

The rest of me knows that's just not true; but hope in the face of obvious truth is part and parcel of the Cubs experience - off and on the field.

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I hate this whole thing.

I fucking HATE non baseball baseball stuff to begin with and this is just the worst
The ultimate ending will be the same though.

Pay the rooftop owners to go away. That is what they should have done from the start.

The Cubs could do some pretty cool things if they owned most of the rooftops anyways.

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