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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:10 pm 
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The confusion continues...

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Weeks ago, Malaysian authorities said the last message from the airplane cockpit was, "All right, good night."

The sign-off to air traffic controllers, which investigators said was spoken by the plane's copilot, was among the few concrete details officials released in a mystery that's baffled investigators and drawn global attention since the Boeing 777 disappeared with 239 people aboard mid-flight on March 8.

There's only one problem. It turns out, it wasn't true.

On Monday, Malaysia's Transport Ministry said the final voice transmission from the cockpit of Flight 370 was actually "Good night Malaysian three seven zero."

Malaysian authorities gave no explanation for the discrepancy between the two quotes. And authorities are still trying to determine whether it was the plane's pilot or copilot who said them.

The new language is routine and is not a sign that anything untoward occurred aboard the flight, said CNN aviation analyst Mary Schiavo.

But the change in wording weeks into the search for the missing plane raises questions about how Malaysian officials have handled the investigation.

"It speaks to credibility issues, unfortunately," Schiavo said.

"We haven't had a straight, clear word that we can have a lot of fidelity in," said Michael Goldfarb, former chief of staff at the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration. "We have the tragedy of the crash, we have the tragedy of an investigation gone awry and then we have questions about where we go from here."

No matter what the pilots' last words were, it's hard to understand what they mean without more details from authorities about what they said and how they said it, CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien told "The Lead with Jake Tapper" on Monday.

"Without the preceding information ... either the transcript or the recordings themselves, it's difficult to know what any of that really means," he said. "And that's the problem with this investigation, which has been so opaque."

Malaysian authorities have defended their handling of the situation.

Acting Transportation Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said Monday that authorities were not hiding anything by declining to release some details of the missing flight. Some details are part of ongoing investigations into what happened to the plane, he said.

"We are not hiding anything," he said. "We are just following the procedure that is being set."

Source: Plane's turn considered 'criminal act'

A Malaysian government source told CNN Monday that the airliner's turn off course is being considered a "criminal act," either by one of the pilots or someone else onboard the missing airliner.

And in a background briefing given to CNN, Malaysian investigators said they believed the plane was "flown by someone with good flying knowledge of the aircraft."

Several friends of Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah said they refuse to believe he could have been the "criminal" controlling the plane.

Rallying to his defense, they showed CNN's Nic Robertson pictures of him at flight school.

"I think finally it will come to a stage where people think of him as a hero when things come out," friend Jason Lee said. "I think he is a hero."

A senior Malaysian government official last week told CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes that authorities have found nothing in days of investigating the two pilots that leads them to any motive, be it political, suicidal or extremist.

And an ongoing FBI review of the two pilots' hard drives, including one in a flight simulator Zaharie had built at his home, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN last week.

In a Facebook post, the captain's daughter lashed out at a British tabloid that claimed to quote her criticizing her father.

"You should consider making movies since you are so good at making up stories and scripts out of thin air," Aishah Zaharie wrote. "May God have mercy on your souls."

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A Chinese ship has apparently heard the ping of a black box. If this is true, it is certain they will find the plane. But two questions:

1. The signals have not yet been "confirmed." Why not? The frequency (37.5) is specific to black boxes so what the hell else could the signal be from?
2. It seems almost incomprehensible that the pinger could have been located this fast, since the locators were only dropped in the ocean in the last couple of days. Have the Chinese known all along where this was and just want to look good?

In any event, I hope this turns out to be successful.

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1. The signals have not yet been "confirmed." Why not? The frequency (37.5) is specific to black boxes so what the hell else could the signal be from?

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CNN reports other instruments use that frequency as well.


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CNN reports other instruments use that frequency as well.

Which leads to the question why would anything else use that frequency? Wouldn't you choose something thats unique so nothing else could ever be mistaken for it?

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The Malaysians have been real bad in terms of releasing accurate information, but I also don't place a ton of confidence in this latest report from China. It was China that oddly released satellite images of a possible debris field in the south China sea well after the search had moved away from that area and into the south. Of course that report led to nothing and was quickly forgotten.

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Search for Malaysia Flight 370 moves to new area

To solve one of the most vexing mysteries in aviation history, the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 will now focus on what may lie underwater – in an area nearly as big as West Virginia.

On Wednesday, the U.S. Navy's Bluefin 21 completed its last underwater mission near where acoustic signals, believed to possibly be emitting from the missing jet's data recorders, were picked up in April, according to the Australian-based Joint Agency Coordination Center.

"The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has advised that the search in the vicinity of the acoustic detections can now be considered complete,'' the JACC said in a statement, "and in its professional judgment, the area can now be discounted as the final resting place of MH370.''

Now, experts will work on determining an underwater search area of up to 21,600 square miles along the arc in the southern Indian Ocean, and an underwater survey of the ocean floor will map the terrain.

"Knowing the seafloor terrain is crucial to enabling the subsequent underwater search,'' the JACC said.

Still, it will be roughly another three months before that more intensified search can even begin, as experts first survey the ocean floor. And then it could be another year before the underwater search ends, and answers finally emerge.

"The search will be a major undertaking," Martin Dolan, chief commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which has been assisting the Malaysian government, said in a statement posted Monday. "The complexities and challenges involved are immense, but not impossible. The best minds from around the world have been reviewing, refining and (localizing) the most likely area where the aircraft entered the water, which is why we remain confident of finding the aircraft.''

Flight 370 disappeared March 8 as it headed from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crewmembers on board.

Investigators from various countries joined together to launch one of the most extensive searches ever by air and by sea. The focus in recent weeks has been on the southern Indian Ocean. But so far, not a trace of the vanished plane has been found.

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The upcoming survey of the ocean floor, which will take about three months, has already begun. A Chinese survey ship began the mapping. It will be joined by another vessel in June.

Once the survey is complete, the underwater search is expected to begin in August. Commercial side-scan sonar operators will scour the ocean for the missing Boeing 777 and any debris. That search will likely last up to a year.

Robert Mann, an aviation analyst at R.W. Mann & Co. in Port Washington, N.Y., says he feels that the plane will one day be found, but perhaps not by those who are so vigorously trying to discover it.

"I think it'll be found, there's no question about that ,'' he says. "It's just a matter of time. Ultimately, it may not be found by the people who are looking for it. It may be found as a byproduct of some other activity going on. That's the unfortunate part. I think the directed search, given the best efforts of those involved, is no more or less likely to find it than it was the other day.''

U.S. Navy spokesman Chris Johnson has dismissed comments made to CNN by ocean engineering expert Michael Dean that the acoustic "pings" heard in the area in April did not come from the missing airliner's black boxes. Dean said those sounds came from another source not connected to the plane.

"Mike Dean's comments today were speculative and premature," Johnson said in a statement.


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Who? Cares?!?

How long until they move the search to, say, Tulsa?

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I thought they did a "we know where it is" press conference a while back.


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Don Tiny wrote:
Who? Cares?!?

How long until they move the search to, say, Tulsa?

Who cares? I would think everyone would care.

A full plane of people disappears and no one can find it.

I think that is something to care about.

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Don Tiny wrote:
Who? Cares?!?

How long until they move the search to, say, Tulsa?

Could it be the modern version of Gilligan's Island?

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CNN reports other instruments use that frequency as well.


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British woman Katherine Tee is saying she spotted what she believes is the missing Malaysian Air flight MH370 while she was sailing.

She saw in early March, but is only now coming forward because she did not believe her eyes at the time.

Tee said that while she and her husband Marc Horn were sailing across the Indian Ocean from India to Thailand, she spotted what looked like a plane on fire during the night of March 7. She thought she was hallucinating, but after the media coverage, she looked up the flight plan of the aircraft and discovered their journeys intersected, Business Insider reports.

“It caught my attention because I had never seen a plane with orange lights before so I wondered what they were,” parkridgesteph said. “It looked longer than planes usually do. There was what appeared to be black smoke behind it. Since that’s not something you see every day, I questioned my mind. I was looking at what appeared to be an elongated plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it. It did occur to me that it might be a meteorite. But I thought it was more likely that I was going insane.”

The more interesting observation Tee made was that the plane was not alone.

“There were two other planes well above it — moving the other way — at the time,” she said. “They had normal navigation lights. I remember thinking that if it was a plane on fire that I was seeing, the other aircraft would report it.”

Since authorities still haven’t found the plane, Tee feels bad for not saying something sooner.

“Will this help the authorities of the families get closure? I have no idea … but I chose to sweep it under the carpet and now I feel really bad,” she said. ”Maybe I should have had a little more confidence in myself. I am sorry I didn’t take action sooner.”

The search for the missing flight still continues.

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And the plot thickens again.

2 other planes?

After all of this time you come out with this info now?

Crazy

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Not buying it.


She saw a plane burning at night? How close was she? Why would you assume you were hallucinating? You see burning planes a lot? Why would the plane be on fire?

parkridgesteph is lying...

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And the plot thickens again.

2 other planes?

After all of this time you come out with this info now?

Crazy


I still say the Payne Stewart angle holds water here.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html

that would be something if true.

Why would it take this long to figure out tho?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html

that would be something if true.

Why would it take this long to figure out tho?


its a plausible answer, but so are 100's of others.

im just not sure we wouldn't tell anyone if we did this. there would be no reason to hide it. we are prepared as a country, we would understand... unless it turned out they knew it wasnt a threat after they shot it down- that would be the only reason to cover it up.

plus, this wasnt over american soil... so theres another reason why we wouldnt shoot it down... who cares if it crashes into north korea

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plus, this wasnt over american soil... so theres another reason why we wouldnt shoot it down... who cares if it crashes into north korea

Agree -- seems really suspect we would bother getting so over our skis on something like this when it isn't even America. Last known contact has it going over the Bay of Bengal so there would be plenty of time to firm up intel data and get a solid answer.

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Got a Airasia flight that has gone, poof!
Found it :(

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The missing AirAsia flight QZ8501 has been found, AirAsia Indonesia and BASARNAS has confirmed collectively on Tuesday evening. Evacuation efforts focused on retrieving the passengers and crew are curently underway.

- Indonesia air traffic control (ATC) lost contact with AirAsia flight QZ8501 bound for Singapore from Surabaya, Indonesia and carrying 162 people on board went missing on Sunday morning, around an hour after it left Juanda International Airport at 5:35am Indonesia time.

- Indonesian rescue personnel are descending into the water to retrieve bodies and debris found in the area, about 10km away from where the plane was last seen on the radar. Indonesia's BASARNAS chief says three bodies have been recovered from the area so far — two female and one male.

- The plane was over the Java Sea between Belitung island and Pontianak, on Indonesia's part of Kalimantan island, tracked four minutes after its pilot, Captain Iriyanto, stopped responding to ATC. Iriyanto had requested at 6:12am Indonesia time to veer left (this was approved) and ascend to 38,000 feet from 32,000 feet. After Indonesia's ATC informed the pilot at 6:14am Indonesia time of a revised height of 34,000 feet (because flight QZ8502 was cruising at 38,000 feet altitude), there was no response. The plane was then officially declared missing at 7:55am Indonesia time on Sunday.

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Scary stuff. At least they will find out what happened to this one.

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DEBRIS FOUND IN INDIAN OCEAN SPARKS SPECULATION ABOUT MH370

A mysterious airplane part that washed ashore on La Reunin Island, a small French isle near Madagascar, has MH370 buffs wondering if it could be a section of the Malaysia Airlines plane that disappeared over the Indian Ocean 508 days ago.

The part - which experts tell ABC News appears to be a wing flap about two meters long and one meter wide -- was recovered by a team working to clean the beach around 9:30 local time Wednesday morning.

The local Air Transport Gendarmerie Brigade has launched an inquiry.

According to ABC consultant Tom Haueter, a former NTSB aviation safety official, investigators will likely work to identify serial numbers to see if they match those on MH370, a Boeing 777.

"If it is a 777 part, it's most likely from MH370," Hauter said. It's not clear what make or model of plane the apparent part came from.

However, locals are also questioning whether the part could have come from Yemenia Flight 626, a twin-engine jetliner that crashed over the Indian Ocean in 2009.

"We've had so many starts and stops on this investigation, you hate to get excited," Hauter said of the MH370 inquiry.

Since the plane's disappearance in March 2014, Australia, Malaysia, the U.S. and other countries have spent tens of millions of dollars combing the sea for the missing jet.

Even if the debris uncovered today is linked to MH370, it's unlikely that the discovery will lead investigators to the submerged wreckage, Haueter says. As he points out, "it's had over a year to drift around."

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there was a documentary on pbs that explained how there is no international radar or satellite system that tracks all planes in the sky. companies have developed tracking systems to do this for civilian aircraft but all the bureaucracy and red tape has prevented it from being implemented. my guess would be there are backdoor fights going on for what company would get to build and run such a system :roll:

they cant even agree on if such a system should have a fail safe in place, or if it should work no matter what... companies stress the system must not be able to be turned off, while pilots insist that every electrical component should have a breaker that can be manually tripped in case of an emergency.

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