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Higher percentage of racists?

hockey fans or Duke Student Body in DBs years?


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Higher percentage of racists?

hockey fans or Duke Student Body in DBs years?



You will not hear that talked about. Also, probably not a ton of big fans of really. smart. people.

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Always fun to hear a guy who once earnestly referred to NBA coaches as "tortured souls" complain about people who think their sport is unique and special.

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Hockey unique and special? I don't know anyone that thinks that. It is an exciting fast paced sport and no higher than #2 on most Americans' list of favorite sports. In fact, it is #3 or much lower in most cases.

I love hockey, and it's #3 for me after baseball and football.


Well, by definition, hockey is unique, unless there are other sports you know of which require substitutions on the fly, being made to play at uneven strength, and to do it all on ice skates. Everything is special to the people who like it. I think what's more peculiar than needing to assert how cool an interest of yours is is needing to assert to those people how cool it isn't.



Ok smarty pants, well baseball is one batter against nine defenders (uneven strength to the max). Once you get substituted for you are out of the game for good. No two ML fields have the same dimensions. There is no clock. You have coaches on the field during play. None of the three other major sports have those things.

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2 Days of no Jason Bernstein? is this correct?

If so, did Danny actually realize he actually might have talking to much about the kid or did the wife come down on him for putting the kid in possible harms way by his constant mentions?

I am going to say Peoria Matt hit it on the head with the Meatball Wife thing as the attempt to take the attention away from the wonder child.

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Do we complain that college football doesn't transcend politics enough with its power base virtually conterminous with the part of our country that seceded over the right to hold slaves? Oh, we don't? Thought I'd ask.


well said. a case could actually be made that with a few regional exceptions, at this point football's ground zero points are precisely the points that exist as American states because slavery existed, and now we every year our heroes read the strapping black buck oops I mean NFL draft guide completely oblivious to that those mostly black players are coming from those same states...

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2 Days of no Jason Bernstein? is this correct?

If so, did Danny actually realize he actually might have talking to much about the kid or did the wife come down on him for putting the kid in possible harms way by his constant mentions?

I am going to say Peoria Matt hit it on the head with the Meatball Wife thing as the attempt to take the attention away from the wonder child.
There was one mention, with meatball wife, which helps add to the idea it was intentional.

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FullfledgedATeam wrote:
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Do we complain that college football doesn't transcend politics enough with its power base virtually conterminous with the part of our country that seceded over the right to hold slaves? Oh, we don't? Thought I'd ask.


well said. a case could actually be made that with a few regional exceptions, at this point football's ground zero points are precisely the points that exist as American states because slavery existed, and now we every year our heroes read the strapping black buck oops I mean NFL draft guide completely oblivious to that those mostly black players are coming from those same states...



Who is that chick in your avatar? She looks like Brandi Love.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Do we complain that college football doesn't transcend politics enough with its power base virtually conterminous with the part of our country that seceded over the right to hold slaves? Oh, we don't? Thought I'd ask.


well said. a case could actually be made that with a few regional exceptions, at this point football's ground zero points are precisely the points that exist as American states because slavery existed, and now we every year our heroes read the strapping black buck oops I mean NFL draft guide completely oblivious to that those mostly black players are coming from those same states...



Who is that chick in your avatar? She looks like Brandi Love.


correct-JORR, Brandi Love is the one, best MILF porn going IMHO...

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FullfledgedATeam wrote:
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FullfledgedATeam wrote:
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Do we complain that college football doesn't transcend politics enough with its power base virtually conterminous with the part of our country that seceded over the right to hold slaves? Oh, we don't? Thought I'd ask.


well said. a case could actually be made that with a few regional exceptions, at this point football's ground zero points are precisely the points that exist as American states because slavery existed, and now we every year our heroes read the strapping black buck oops I mean NFL draft guide completely oblivious to that those mostly black players are coming from those same states...



Who is that chick in your avatar? She looks like Brandi Love.


correct-JORR, Brandi Love is the one, best MILF porn going IMHO...


I'm an Erica Lauren man myself. Full bush, baby! I like Dana Hayes a lot too but she makes stupid fake noises that ruin things.

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FullfledgedATeam wrote:
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Do we complain that college football doesn't transcend politics enough with its power base virtually conterminous with the part of our country that seceded over the right to hold slaves? Oh, we don't? Thought I'd ask.


well said. a case could actually be made that with a few regional exceptions, at this point football's ground zero points are precisely the points that exist as American states because slavery existed, and now we every year our heroes read the strapping black buck oops I mean NFL draft guide completely oblivious to that those mostly black players are coming from those same states...
This is actually a myth. College talent overwhelmingly comes from the South. However, NFL is much more varied. Here are the top 10 states for NFL talent in 2012:
California
Texas
Florida
Georgia
Ohio
Louisiana
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
Illinois(tie)
North Carolina(tie)
New York(tie)

Obviously, population skews the numbers, but that is a pretty wide grouping of states.

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Do we complain that college football doesn't transcend politics enough with its power base virtually conterminous with the part of our country that seceded over the right to hold slaves? Oh, we don't? Thought I'd ask.


well said. a case could actually be made that with a few regional exceptions, at this point football's ground zero points are precisely the points that exist as American states because slavery existed, and now we every year our heroes read the strapping black buck oops I mean NFL draft guide completely oblivious to that those mostly black players are coming from those same states...
This is actually a myth. College talent overwhelmingly comes from the South. However, NFL is much more varied. Here are the top 10 states for NFL talent in 2012:
California
Texas
Florida
Georgia
Ohio
Louisiana
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
Illinois(tie)
North Carolina(tie)
New York(tie)

Obviously, population skews the numbers, but that is a pretty wide grouping of states.


This is interesting data--are these #s of schools in these states that then produce the NFL draftees, or just their hometown states? Obviously NFL players come from everywhere, but I would speculate that the majority of the schools that typically produce lots of drafted players are from the deep south...

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Football players come from slave states. Hockey players do not. If you like football more than hockey it is the same thing as supporting slavery.

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Hockey unique and special? I don't know anyone that thinks that. It is an exciting fast paced sport and no higher than #2 on most Americans' list of favorite sports. In fact, it is #3 or much lower in most cases.

I love hockey, and it's #3 for me after baseball and football.


Well, by definition, hockey is unique, unless there are other sports you know of which require substitutions on the fly, being made to play at uneven strength, and to do it all on ice skates. Everything is special to the people who like it. I think what's more peculiar than needing to assert how cool an interest of yours is is needing to assert to those people how cool it isn't.



Ok smarty pants, well baseball is one batter against nine defenders (uneven strength to the max). Once you get substituted for you are out of the game for good. No two ML fields have the same dimensions. There is no clock. You have coaches on the field during play. None of the three other major sports have those things.


Yes. That was my point. Every sport is unique. Otherwise, they wouldn't be different sports. Semantics, I know, but the idea that hockey fans shouldn't like its distinct positives (and complain about its distinct negatives; hockey fans are the crankiest of all when it comes to their own game) is just as dumb as quibbling over definitions of words, n'est-ce pas?

Oh, and I'll have to dig it back up, but I think there was a chart or a graph that measured sport allegiance/political leaning and I'm pretty sure it came out with NHL fans being the most liberal, followed by NBA, with college football and NASCAR bringing up the rear, or the right, however you'd like to look at it. What else can you expect with all those BC potheads, NDPers on the prairie, and the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party?

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Oh, I found the Dale Bowman piece Dan read. Hoo boy, this is bad writing unfit for a major-market newspaper.

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I am not much of a hockey fan (the combination of beauty and brutality in the Flyers of my youth spoiled me for life), but the overtime last night was beautiful as sport. It had end to end action with spurts of brilliant athletic movements.

I can't tell if he's running some kind of Krazy Ivan long con or if he's just a simpleton. "Congratulations on your athletic event having brief moments of athleticism!" D'aww, thanks for the pat on the head! And how do the '75 Flyers -- I assume he means the '75 Flyers here -- "spoil you for life" as a hockey fan with a mix of beauty and brutality? Does he mean that no one has lived up to them? Someone should alert him to the Ducks and Bruins of recent years if that's the case. Or was the brutality so awful that the estimable finesse of the Bobby Clarke/Reggie Leach Flyers was rendered null and void? Neither one is explained, and neither one makes any sense. You want to be ruined as a hockey fan in the '70s, try growing up with the Capitals. Also, I'd hyphenate "end-to-end," but perhaps that's just me.

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And it ties into hockey, because they view hockey as part of a broader political or lifestyle statement.
It’s a damm sport, and right now a pretty good one in Chicago.
No other sport has the same sort of political or lifestyle statements attached to it. Well maybe soccer to a degree.

"Damn" or "damned," never "damm." "Well" needs a comma before it as a sentential interjection. Maybe he can borrow one for the beginning of his sentence from the end of one of Dan Bernstein's sentences. Anyway, in the sentence itself, he bemoans hockey's "political or lifestyle statements" while adding that soccer has them too. But he doesn't bemoan soccer, no! Why, just above, he says that the hockey game last night was so good that it was almost a soccer game!

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It was hockey flowing as gracefully as the beautiful game of soccer. There’s a flow in soccer, interspersed with bursts of intense emotion, that makes it the world’s game.

Soccer has a flow, yes. It also has a lot of standing around waiting for a throw-in while the clock runs. And it also has European fans who throw bananas and make monkey noises at African players, which is a much more unsettling lifestyle statement than whatever it is you're accusing hockey fans of without actually saying so.

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The NBA is respected because it is the most purely athletic team sport

No wonder Dan read this on the air! This was the same thing he said leading up to LOOK. AT. THEIR. BODIES!

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and football for its contained chaos and brute force.

And this ties into what I've always supposed is the reason why football violence is fun and hockey violence is scary. The organized chaos of a football down is a complete abstraction. Someone punching you in the face for being a shithead is something that could happen to you in real life. Hell, it should happen to me!

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I think it is harder to cross those political and lifestyle lines in hockey fans. Maybe the Blackhawks will change that with their fan base skewing much younger.

Still, he never explains his thesis here, that there are "political/lifestyle" distinctions to hockey fans, which makes it a really shitty argument. He just says that the NBA is athletic and that baseball lets him stomach reading George Will, which I guess if you read between the lines says that hockey fans are unsatisfactorily conservative, but again, how can this be if you look at where people like hockey live? You're an outdoors guy, Mr. Bowman. Here's an exercise: next time you're up in Manitoba on a fishing trip, go into Winnipeg, find a person in Winnipeg Jets paraphernalia (in other words, go up to any person) and say "you know what the problem is with you hockey fans? You're all too conservative." They'll laugh you back over the border.

tl;dr: STICK TO [FISH-ORIENTED] SPORTS!

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You want to be ruined as a hockey fan in the '70s, try growing up with the Capitals.


I think he was saying that nothing since has been as cool as those mid-70s Flyers teams. I could see that. The Canadiens right after them may be the best team ever, but those Bobby Clarke Flyers had a certain je ne sais quoi. That was a great era of hockey.

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It's cool and quixotic that the Flyers still try to tailor their teams to be like those '74/'75 squads: score a lot of goals, hurt a bunch of dudes, don't worry about anything in between. God, they really are the Raiders.

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I'm an Erica Lauren man myself. Full bush, baby! I like Dana Hayes a lot too but she makes stupid fake noises that ruin things.


No wonder you dislike Terry ....

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Oh, I found the Dale Bowman piece Dan read. Hoo boy, this is bad writing unfit for a major-market newspaper.

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I am not much of a hockey fan (the combination of beauty and brutality in the Flyers of my youth spoiled me for life), but the overtime last night was beautiful as sport. It had end to end action with spurts of brilliant athletic movements.

I can't tell if he's running some kind of Krazy Ivan long con or if he's just a simpleton. "Congratulations on your athletic event having brief moments of athleticism!" D'aww, thanks for the pat on the head! And how do the '75 Flyers -- I assume he means the '75 Flyers here -- "spoil you for life" as a hockey fan with a mix of beauty and brutality? Does he mean that no one has lived up to them? Someone should alert him to the Ducks and Bruins of recent years if that's the case. Or was the brutality so awful that the estimable finesse of the Bobby Clarke/Reggie Leach Flyers was rendered null and void? Neither one is explained, and neither one makes any sense. You want to be ruined as a hockey fan in the '70s, try growing up with the Capitals. Also, I'd hyphenate "end-to-end," but perhaps that's just me.

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Here’s my problem with hockey, it’s fans.

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And it ties into hockey, because they view hockey as part of a broader political or lifestyle statement.
It’s a damm sport, and right now a pretty good one in Chicago.
No other sport has the same sort of political or lifestyle statements attached to it. Well maybe soccer to a degree.

"Damn" or "damned," never "damm." "Well" needs a comma before it as a sentential interjection. Maybe he can borrow one for the beginning of his sentence from the end of one of Dan Bernstein's sentences. Anyway, in the sentence itself, he bemoans hockey's "political or lifestyle statements" while adding that soccer has them too. But he doesn't bemoan soccer, no! Why, just above, he says that the hockey game last night was so good that it was almost a soccer game!

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It was hockey flowing as gracefully as the beautiful game of soccer. There’s a flow in soccer, interspersed with bursts of intense emotion, that makes it the world’s game.

Soccer has a flow, yes. It also has a lot of standing around waiting for a throw-in while the clock runs. And it also has European fans who throw bananas and make monkey noises at African players, which is a much more unsettling lifestyle statement than whatever it is you're accusing hockey fans of without actually saying so.

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The NBA is respected because it is the most purely athletic team sport

No wonder Dan read this on the air! This was the same thing he said leading up to LOOK. AT. THEIR. BODIES!

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and football for its contained chaos and brute force.

And this ties into what I've always supposed is the reason why football violence is fun and hockey violence is scary. The organized chaos of a football down is a complete abstraction. Someone punching you in the face for being a shithead is something that could happen to you in real life. Hell, it should happen to me!

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I think it is harder to cross those political and lifestyle lines in hockey fans. Maybe the Blackhawks will change that with their fan base skewing much younger.

Still, he never explains his thesis here, that there are "political/lifestyle" distinctions to hockey fans, which makes it a really shitty argument. He just says that the NBA is athletic and that baseball lets him stomach reading George Will, which I guess if you read between the lines says that hockey fans are unsatisfactorily conservative, but again, how can this be if you look at where people like hockey live? You're an outdoors guy, Mr. Bowman. Here's an exercise: next time you're up in Manitoba on a fishing trip, go into Winnipeg, find a person in Winnipeg Jets paraphernalia (in other words, go up to any person) and say "you know what the problem is with you hockey fans? You're all too conservative." They'll laugh you back over the border.

tl;dr: STICK TO [FISH-ORIENTED] SPORTS!

:lol: :lol: Love it when CH goes into editor mode and dissects poorly written articles from guys who write for a living.

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This is interesting data--are these #s of schools in these states that then produce the NFL draftees, or just their hometown states? Obviously NFL players come from everywhere, but I would speculate that the majority of the schools that typically produce lots of drafted players are from the deep south...
That was hometowns. I'll just post the link.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1641528-where-does-nfl-talent-come-from

The SEC does send a higher percentage, but it's only 17%.

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I always thought Bowman was some old fart well into his 60s getting off on smoking pine cones with other dudes in the forest on the weekends. He showed a picture of his kid the other day and she had to be about 10 years old so my estimation of his age must be way off. I think that only makes his by cracky look all the stranger.

It would be my guess that you would find no more right wing group of sportsmen than outdoorsmen.

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