They are also for two different aged children. The bottom one is for the younger infant/baby where they need more stuff (diapers, food, etc.) and padding for you to take with them, the top one is more for a toddler. Which, while not needing them all the time, after 8 hours at the zoo, come in real handy after the kid decides he doesn't want to walk anymore.

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Your daughter has probably ridden in a stroller hundreds of times! Maybe even Thousands!

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I'm much more concerned with fat people driving scooters than I am with parents with big strollers. I mean, at least the kid in the stroller may one day be of value to society.

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What's the difference between having to navigate around a stroller, versus loud, obnoxious drunks bumping into you, spilling beers on you, or back in the day, blowing smoke in your face? When you go out, you have to deal with others, so you might as well get used to it. Or, you could just stay home.

You are also presenting this as if you are tripping over a stroller every five feet.

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Just to make sure we are all on the same page here, Kirkwood is talking about actual bars here. He isn't talking about a restaurant with tables and wait staff. Bring your kids to annoy others at Applebee's all you want. Don't bring them to the Cubby Bear.

Also, not after 9pm anywhere that serves alcohol.

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Um, I'm at a bar? That's what I signed up for? I don't want to worry about bumping into some Chad or Trixie's stroller and being told to be careful? I think that's pretty simple

We have one like this:




We only use that if we are taking the kids to the park, or walking around Brookfield Zoo. Like Spaulding said, most kids can't wait to get out of them. My older son is almost four, and he would much rather walk.

We have one like this:



Primarily for pushing around the two year old.


Both strollers fold up very easily.

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If there was a drunk stumbling around the sandbox in the park I would be as appalled as I am with kids playing in my favorite watering hole.

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You didn't answer the question. You seem to know a lot about child molesters that hang at D&B.

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For the record, I have never brought my children to a bar at 9:00 PM.

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We'llgo wherever the fuck we want wherever the hell we want!!!!

Don't be mad when me and your baby get into a drunken bar altercation then, ok chief?

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As long as you dont press charges because you "tripped" after she backhanded you

I don't snitch.

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Again, I wouldn't judge you as long as they (a) behaved or (b) fit in and acted like the natives.

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I hate the scooter people.

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They probably wouldn't, which is why I wouldn't bring them. Not to mention, if I am out bending an elbow, I would like to do so without being responsible for a four year old, and a two year old.

I did bring my older boy to Two Brothers once. It was a Friday afternoon about 2:00, and my buddy, my son, and I sat in a booth. I ordered some fries and a Sprite for my boy, and I had one beer. He behaved just fine.

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A stroller doesn't fit in a seat. A stroller doesn't move if asked. A stroller is an inanimate object. A stroller is meant to hold delicate infants.

Right, and I choose to deal with people over 21 by going to a bar.

No.

There it is!

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Seriously, there was a time when children in adult siuations were expected to act like adults. I don't think there was anything wrong with that. But it's changed. It is what it is.

What I would say though, is that one is a child for about 1/5 or so of his life. I don't think we should make all these accomodations for people living that first fifth at the expense of those experiencing the following four-fifths. Especially now when there are so many places that cater specifically to children.

My father took me into bars. My mother would have been appalled. But I learned how to behave in a bar. (It serves me well to this very day. ) And if I became childish the old man admonished me in a way that embarrassed me into acting more grown-up. Don't kids these days want to be adult? Maybe not.

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Let's sum up the themes of this thread:
1. Children shouldn't be in bars - if it is just a bar - totally agree as I'm sure most here would (though I will not speak for them). If the place has a food menu...then kids can be there to eat. Probably not after 9 pm though. But what do I know, the best restaurant in my town is a gas station (Long live Sheetz!)

2. Strollers in bars: see number 1.

3. Strollers in general - I used to be a nonparent and I would espouse things like "I'm never going to own a SUV they are annoying to all of us who drive normal cars." or "I'm never taking my kids to restaurants." Then I had a kid or two or three and realized something: my three kids carseats don't fit in my Focus, I need something bigger. I realized I had no clue what I was talking about. I think that's the point Chus is making.

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What else can you lecture me about? You always have all the answers. This was a simple douchebagging thread. Few people on this board can drive fun away than you and your lectures.

Partially. Like you, I thought I had every answer regarding parenting, before I had kids.

My larger point, is that you are going to deal with all kinds of suckage when you go out. Back in the day, the bars were full of smokers, which I hated, since I am a non smoker. What would the point have been to bitch about it? My choices were deal with it, or stay home.

Don't sweat the small things, Kirkwood.

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The douchebag section and complain thread exists for exactly these things.

The one thing that is funny about these threads are how often you hear parents complaining about how annoying/tough/maddening young children can be to deal with, but it's a problem when other people find them tough to deal with.

I actually enjoy when kids are around in most any situation because it's normally funny to watch them act like jerks and the parents who have to just deal with it. However, those same parents would probably find other kids annoying too if they went in the parenting club.

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This is a good point. "Oh, my kids are a handful."

"Yeah, your kids are a handful."

"THEY ARE ANGELS. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW?!"

edit: That being said...I don't have a side to take in this thread. Well behaved kids with intelligent and courteous parents are no problem in any setting. Obnoxious children with can't-be-bothered parents do not belong in any environment.

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