who are these experts?

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Baez will only be here on a mercy call up in September. It is pretty clear Bryant has surpassed him as the #1 prospect.

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Come on. It's a consensus. I'm not making it up. Personally, I think Sox fans who act as if it was a foregone conclusion that the '94 team was going to win the World Series are silly, but the fact is they were widely considered the best team in baseball despite the Expos building a fat record against weak NL teams. In fact, I'd say the Braves were probably better than the Expos.

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It is really a consensus? I am not trying to be a jerk here. I just really have not seen or read that. I have seen just as many people that think the Expos in 94 were the best team. Obviously we will never know. But to act as if it is a foregone conclusion is silly.

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I don't think most people considered the Expos better than the Braves that season. The Braves won the division every other season for a 15 year stretch. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume they would have won in '94 too had the season been played to conclusion.

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The "consensus" I've always heard is that the '94 Expos were the best team in baseball. I've never heard anyone say the Sox were the best team that year until JORR posted it.

The order of any Top 20 prospects list is not factored in when deciding when to call up a player.

This organization has made it clear that Bryant is going to get a heavy look at AAA before he ever sees the minors. Baez is already in AAA.

Baez has already had three pretty defined streaks this season...two of them were of the bad kind. All he needs to do is go on his usual mid season tear and he could easily make up for the bad stretches and easily be deserving of a mid to late season call up...before expanded rosters come into play.

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What are the ETA's for the original Fab Four?

Jackson- ?????
Vitters- ?????
McNutt- ?????
Ceaser- ?????

Keyzer can't resist being a dumbass. Just too natural for himself

1994 Expos WAR: 33.4

1994 White Sox WAR: 37.7

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About the same as

Aaron Poreda
Lance Broadway
Jared Mitchell
Brent Morel
Nestor Molina
Courtney Hawkins
Trayce Thompson

OH BTW it's Szczur

now go away TROLL

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Aaron Poreda got them a good player, if I remember correctly.

Brent Morel has had a better MLB career than any Cub Fab Four at this point

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Bryant-2014
Baez-2014
Soler-N/A
Almora-2015

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And Im telling you I was an avid fan listening to and following experts and they all loved the Expos who had a far superior record in 94. You think you're the only one who had access to experts?

Ill take their word over a Sox fan

You dont think people thought the Cubs were the best team in late 03 or 2008?

All I said about 84 is that teams like the Tigers had lost before. Didnt say the Cubs were the best.

Expos 74-40

White Sox 67-46

Against different opponents. And check their respective Pythagorean records. Suddenly you don't believe in WAR?

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The White Sox had 2 other 60win teams in their division, and 2 in the AL East (Yankees had 70 wins). There were a total of four 60 win teams in the entire NL. Clearly the AL was far superior to the NL that season.

A Sox Expos WS would have been awesome.

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Plus there isn't a 75 page thread dedicated to how great they're going to be. YIPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think anyone thought the Cubs were better than several AL teams in '08 at the height of the disparity between the two leagues. And I've already said the Cubs were the best team at the end of '03, but that's a little different than being the best team in the game. They were hot like the 2006 Cardinals, except they couldn't finish the job.

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Your dumbass posts make up 35 pages of the thread.

Ive never believed in WAR the way you applied it there


Suddenly you use WAR and not what actually happened?


Anyway, this has gotten silly as were arguing over near titles. They just dont count.

I think WAR is a better measure of which team was better than completely unrelated records against different opponents. The WAR suggests the Sox had better players. Nobody won anything that season. I do think it's a stretch to believe that 1994 was going to be the one season Montreal rose up to beat Atlanta. Atlanta was likely to grind them up with their superior pitching.

Anyway, I think you're misunderstanding me. Saying the Sox had the best team those two seasons isn't a boast or something to be proud about. I was pointing out their abject failures. You only get so many chances to win. You can't leave them on the table when you have them. That's why shutting down Strasburg was idiotic. The Yankees almost never blow a shot to win. That's why they have so many titles. I'd have no issue with a Yankee fan saying they had the best team in '60, '01 and '03. They did. But the actual results were nothing to brag about and I'm sure they don't.

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Most experts liked the Cubs in 2008

They were 6 games ahead with 48 to play and there was going to be a wild card that year anyway.

Expos had a better Pythagorean record than Sox.

Maybe in Chicago. There were three teams in the AL East that were clearly better, not to mention the Angels. The AL was so much stronger that year that you could even argue the White Sox were better. I won't do that because it doesn't need to be another dumb Cubs/Sox argument.

As a baseball fan you have to admit the freakish superiority of the American League over about a four season stretch there in the mid to late 2000s. It was like the 60s when the NL was so dominating. The reason for the NL dominance in the 60s was obvious- the reluctance of the AL to embrace minority players the way the NL did. The reason for that stretch of AL dominance in the aughts is less clear. I've read a lot of stuff on the subject. Some people seem to think the DH had a lot to do with it.

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Was that supposed to be the first season with the Wild Card? I'm not sure about that.

The Expos' record was a game better against decidedly lesser opponents and that's reflected in the WAR. It's like the Sox had an extra All-Star.

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What is this thread about now? Maybe we should rename the original post to better reflect the content.

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The Angels played in the worst division in baseball including the NL and no, the NL East teams were not clearly better.

In the regular season the Cubs were the best team in the NL by far and probably the best team in all of baseball. They choked in the playoffs as per usual, that doesnt change what happened in the 162