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LAS VEGAS (AP) — A man and a woman ambushed two police officers eating lunch at a Las Vegas restaurant, fatally shooting them at point-blank range before fleeing to a nearby Wal-Mart where they killed a third person and then themselves in an apparent suicide pact, authorities said Sunday.

The shooters walked into CiCi's Pizza and gunned down Officers Alyn Beck, 41, and Igor Soldo, 31, Las Vegas police officials said. One of the officers was able to fire back before he died, but it's unclear if he hit the suspects, Sheriff Doug Gillespie of the Las Vegas Metro Police Department said at a news conference Sunday afternoon.

One of the shooters yelled, "This is a revolution," but a motive remains under investigation, Las Vegas police spokesman Larry Hadfield told The Associated Press. He added that "we don't know anything about the suspects yet."

After shooting the officers, the suspects fled to the Wal-Mart across the street, where they killed a person inside the front door and exchanged gunfire with police before killing themselves, police said.

The female suspect shot the male suspect before killing herself, Gillespie said. The victim's identity hasn't been confirmed, and the suspects' names haven't been released.

"It's a tragic day," Gillespie said. "But we still have a community to police, and we still have a community to protect. We will be out there doing it with our heads held high, but with an emptiness in our hearts."

Both officers were pronounced dead at University Medical Center. Beck had been with the department since 2001 and leaves behind a wife and three children. Soldo had been with the force since 2006 and is survived by a wife and baby, police said.


"We saw when the man was walking, he was shouting, yelling bad words, and suddenly he had a gun," she told the station. "It was terrible, it was terrible. That man was crazy."

Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said the male suspect yelled "everyone get out" before shooting at Wal-Mart. The suspects then walked to the back of the store.

Gov. Brian Sandoval said in a statement he was devastated by the murders of the two officers and an innocent bystander in an "act of senseless violence."

In a statement, Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman called the killings a "cruel act" and praised the officers for dedicating "their lives to protecting all of us in our community."

Wal-Mart employees and shoppers were taken to a nearby clothing store to be interviewed by police. The restaurant and Wal-Mart remained closed as detectives processed evidence. McMahill said the investigation is "very complex" because it involves more than 1,000 witnesses.

Wal-Mart expressed its condolences in a statement and that the company is working with police on the investigation. Cici's Pizza said in a statement the company was deeply saddened by the shooting and would keep the location closed until further notice.

Sunday's killings come less than a year after the Las Vegas police department's most recent on-duty death. Officer David VanBuskirk died while rescuing a stranded hiker by helicopter on July 22, 2013.

The department has lost officers over the past decade in vehicle accidents and in an off-duty shooting, but the most recent on-duty shooting death happened Feb. 1, 2006, when Sgt. Henry Prendes was ambushed during a domestic violence call.

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I hope we can all agree on this one.

Nope it'll came down to its the NRA/ the right's fault. At least those fuckers spared everyone their.. ahem right to a trial and just offed themselves.

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leashyourkids wrote:
I hope we can all agree on this one.

Nope it'll came down to its the NRA/ the right's fault. At least those fuckers spared everyone their.. ahem right to a trial and just offed themselves.

Wrong.

We should bring them back to life just so we can execute them on PPV TV.

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leashyourkids wrote:
I hope we can all agree on this one.

Nope it'll came down to its the NRA/ the right's fault.

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If only there were guns present....


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I said nothing of the NRA or right wing....people.

I actually dig the statement made by the NRA the other day where they called the open carry people crazy...

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I thought these things don't happen in states with relaxed gun laws.

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They were a couple of "patriots".

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/06/0 ... acrifices/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/09/l ... deathwish/


Can we talk about this, or is it too soon?

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Chus wrote:
They were a couple of "patriots".

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/06/0 ... acrifices/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/09/l ... deathwish/


Can we talk about this, or is it too soon?


Pick from the pitiful buffet of themes.

1. With "stories" like this, it's always too soon.
2. "We can't talk about this until we get to the bottom of Benghazi first"
3. Per Fox, it's not a story.
4. "Cliven Bundy is still right"
5. "We need to impeach Obama"
6. "This is because we've taken God out of schools"
7. "They were really closet liberals....no right thinking conservative would attack Wal-Mart"
8. Somehow it's the undocumented immigrants fault, because everything else is, right?
9. It has to be because of the happily marrying gays, because that's the sign of the apocalypse.
10. But at the end of the day, anyone even critically reviewing this is...a fascist?!?

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What is there to talk about? Our government is out of control and has been for a long time. People are starting to react in crazy ways. Not real surprising.


I really dont get people who try to differentiate between the two parties at this point. They are clearly one in the same.


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What is there to talk about? Our government is out of control and has been for a long time. People are starting to react in crazy ways. Not real surprising.


I really dont get people who try to differentiate between the two parties at this point. They are clearly one in the same.


Is our government really out of control? What are they doing differently that they haven't done in the past 40 years?

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What is there to talk about?


Why does a felon have weapons like this? How about more thorough background checks? That isn't even on the table. Taking away freedoms, blah blah blah.

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Is our government really out of control? What are they doing differently that they haven't done in the past 40 years?
This is obviously not a defense of these people, but the government seems to have a much stronger tie to corporations and in the post-9/11 world they seem to be eroding away rights that were considered untouchable for decades or centuries.

I know it is a seemingly small issue, but the current attempts to end "net neutrality" show this pretty well. The government was very willing to let your monopolistic cable company start throttling down whatever websites they wanted. The only thing that has stopped is other companies fighting back. Anyone with half a brain knows that for the people of this country, net neutrality is a pretty important thing, and there is no reason to allow it to be changed since the whole internet was based on the idea.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
What is there to talk about? Our government is out of control and has been for a long time. People are starting to react in crazy ways. Not real surprising.


I really dont get people who try to differentiate between the two parties at this point. They are clearly one in the same.


Is our government really out of control? What are they doing differently that they haven't done in the past 40 years?

I said a long time and I meant decades. I would say maybe the 60s were the last time you could really say a good amount of the government worked for the people and not themselves.

Once the lobbies took over in the 70's that was the beginning of the end


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rogers park bryan wrote:
What is there to talk about?


Why does a felon have weapons like this? How about more thorough background checks? That isn't even on the table. Taking away freedoms, blah blah blah.

Sure, Im all about background checks.


The scary thing is seemingly normal people who would pass every check with flying colors are going off the deep end


I dont know how many stories of insanity (people and government) coming from all parties we need before people stop with the ridiculous Rep vs Dem stuff


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Chus wrote:
They were a couple of "patriots".

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/06/0 ... acrifices/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/09/l ... deathwish/


Can we talk about this, or is it too soon?


Pick from the pitiful buffet of themes.

1. With "stories" like this, it's always too soon.
2. "We can't talk about this until we get to the bottom of Benghazi first"
3. Per Fox, it's not a story.
4. "Cliven Bundy is still right"
5. "We need to impeach Obama"
6. "This is because we've taken God out of schools"
7. "They were really closet liberals....no right thinking conservative would attack Wal-Mart"
8. Somehow it's the undocumented immigrants fault, because everything else is, right?
9. It has to be because of the happily marrying gays, because that's the sign of the apocalypse.
10. But at the end of the day, anyone even critically reviewing this is...a fascist?!?


11. We must stand up to the evil, communist tyrant, President Dolomite.

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I dont know how many stories of insanity (people and government) coming from all parties we need before people stop with the ridiculous Rep vs Dem stuff


We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.

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Chus wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I dont know how many stories of insanity (people and government) coming from all parties we need before people stop with the ridiculous Rep vs Dem stuff


We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.

What shootings are you referring to?

Was the movie theater kid a republican? How bout the Newtown guy?


Eliot Rodger was almost certainly a liberal.


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We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.
What conclusions can we draw from this?

It seems like you are hinting at something here.

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Chus wrote:
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I dont know how many stories of insanity (people and government) coming from all parties we need before people stop with the ridiculous Rep vs Dem stuff


We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.


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What shootings are you referring to?


Go down the list. Mental illness and/or right wing whack job almost everytime.

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Was the movie theater kid a republican? How bout the Newtown guy?


They were both mentally ill. That is why I didn't say all shootings.



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The common theme is "guns". That's it. Not democrats, not republicans. Sane....insane. The only thing that doesn't change are....of course...guns.

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We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.
What conclusions can we draw from this?

It seems like you are hinting at something here.


You can draw your own conclusions.

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Is our government really out of control? What are they doing differently that they haven't done in the past 40 years?
This is obviously not a defense of these people, but the government seems to have a much stronger tie to corporations and in the post-9/11 world they seem to be eroding away rights that were considered untouchable for decades or centuries.

I know it is a seemingly small issue, but the current attempts to end "net neutrality" show this pretty well. The government was very willing to let your monopolistic cable company start throttling down whatever websites they wanted. The only thing that has stopped is other companies fighting back. Anyone with half a brain knows that for the people of this country, net neutrality is a pretty important thing, and there is no reason to allow it to be changed since the whole internet was based on the idea.


IMO the government ties to corporations started to get strong with Reagan and Clinton strengthen that bond. Obama putting the fox in the henhouse (after countless fundraisers and millions of dollars in donations) is only a continuation of that trend. Killing a local government worker is a sign of a coward. These groups are thugs that are looking for any reason to take the life of someone who is innocent.

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