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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:11 pm 
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We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.
What conclusions can we draw from this?

It seems like you are hinting at something here.


You can draw your own conclusions.
Ok, but don't get mad when I do then and complain it's not correct.

You think the Republican party is to blame for most of these shootings.

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IMO the government ties to corporations started to get strong with Reagan and Clinton strengthen that bond. Obama putting the fox in the henhouse (after countless fundraisers and millions of dollars in donations) is only a continuation of that trend. Killing a local government worker is a sign of a coward. These groups are thugs that are looking for any reason to take the life of someone who is innocent.
It started back then but it has clearly ramped up a lot more recently.

That is not a knock on Obama any more than it is a knock on GWB.

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Ok, but don't get mad when I do then and complain it's not correct.


But, that is what you do. Like when you want me to explain other people's stances on pot, after I have clearly defined mine.

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You think the Republican party is to blame for most of these shootings.
Yes, Rick. That was what I said.

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THAT IS WHY I ASKED YOU TO STATE IT! :lol:

Don't be a hypocrite. Don't complain when I misread you when you refuse to even state your actual conclusion.

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THAT IS WHY I ASKED YOU TO STATE IT! :lol:

Don't be a hypocrite. Don't complain when I misread you when you refuse to even state your actual conclusion.


I don't want to play the BRick game, so I am a hypocrite?

I already said that we need more thorough background checks, and you turned it into me blaming the republican party. No thanks, Rick. You can say whatever you want. I predict that you will claim that I am playing the victim card. I'm good at this game.

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Go down the list. Mental illness and/or right wing whack job almost everytime.

That is flat out untrue. There are websites detailing that all of them are liberal.

That is also untrue. They come from all sides but for some reason people want to believe that they are on the "sane side"

There is no SANE SIDE


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They were both mentally ill. That is why I didn't say all shootings.

Every mass shooter is mentally ill. That doesnt mean they're republicans.


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I don't want to play the BRick game, so I am a hypocrite?
You are a hypocrite for saying "that is what you do" and then refusing to say what you actually mean. I'm trying to avoid that very situation and you refuse and instead you want me and others to guess at what you meant. In fact, you said "draw your own conclusions"!
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I already said that we need more thorough background checks, and you turned it into me blaming the republican party. No thanks, Rick. You can say whatever you want. I predict that you will claim that I am playing the victim card. I'm good at this game.
That one time I did it must have really gotten to you.

I just want to know what you were getting at. I guess I'll have to "draw my own conclusions" and hope I read your mind correctly.

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The common theme is "guns". That's it. Not democrats, not republicans. Sane....insane. The only thing that doesn't change are....of course...guns.

I think the other common theme is narcissism. All these people feel they were wronged in some way and deserve better. In most cases you find out that the WRONGS were just normal parts of life.

So in my opinion, its insanity + narcissism (trophy generation) + guns = Bad things


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The common theme is "guns". That's it. Not democrats, not republicans. Sane....insane. The only thing that doesn't change are....of course...guns.

I think the other common theme is narcissism. All these people feel they were wronged in some way and deserve better. In most cases you find out that the WRONGS were just normal parts of life.

So in my opinion, its insanity + narcissism (trophy generation) + guns = Bad things


No, just guns. Take those away and there are no more crazy people murdering other people.


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Every mass shooter is mentally ill. That doesnt mean they're republicans.

:lol: :lol:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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The common theme is "guns". That's it. Not democrats, not republicans. Sane....insane. The only thing that doesn't change are....of course...guns.

I think the other common theme is narcissism. All these people feel they were wronged in some way and deserve better. In most cases you find out that the WRONGS were just normal parts of life.

So in my opinion, its insanity + narcissism (trophy generation) + guns = Bad things



True.

Guns just make it easier for these people to carry out their agendas.

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I don't want to play the BRick game, so I am a hypocrite?
You are a hypocrite for saying "that is what you do" and then refusing to say what you actually mean. I'm trying to avoid that very situation and you refuse and instead you want me and others to guess at what you meant. In fact, you said "draw your own conclusions"!
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I already said that we need more thorough background checks, and you turned it into me blaming the republican party. No thanks, Rick. You can say whatever you want. I predict that you will claim that I am playing the victim card. I'm good at this game.
That one time I did it must have really gotten to you.

I just want to know what you were getting at. I guess I'll have to "draw my own conclusions" and hope I read your mind correctly.


We went back and forth for multiple pages about pot, and not one time did you actually address anything I said. You wanted me to comment on some extreme position from some unnamed person, or you wanted to talk about caffeine, sugar, and Mexican gangsters. Arguing for pages with somebody who isn't even listening to me, while creating strawmen out of thin air, seems like a big waste of time, so I will pass.

If you really want to know where somebody is coming from, perhaps ignoring what they actually said, and calling them a hypocrite, is not the best way to start.

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Chus wrote:
We went back and forth for multiple pages about pot, and not one time did you actually address anything I said. You wanted me to comment on some extreme position from some unnamed person, or you wanted to talk about caffeine, sugar, and Mexican gangsters. Arguing for pages with somebody who isn't even listening to me, while creating strawmen out of thin air, seems like a big waste of time, so I will pass.
I tried to find a way to avoid this. I asked a question.
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If you really want to know where somebody is coming from, perhaps ignoring what they actually said, and calling them a hypocrite, is not the best way to start.
You are a hypocrite for getting mad at me for misinterpreting your thoughts, and then denying to say your thoughts and instead telling me to "draw my own conclusions". You want it both ways.

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You are a hypocrite for getting mad at me for misinterpreting your thoughts, and then denying to say your thoughts and instead telling me to "draw my own conclusions". You want it both ways.


No, what I wanted was to have a reasonable discussion with you in the pot thread. You weren't interested in that. You started right off the same way this time, so I am just bailing before it goes ten pages. Call me whatever names you want.

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Go down the list. Mental illness and/or right wing whack job almost everytime.

That is flat out untrue. There are websites detailing that all of them are liberal.

That is also untrue. They come from all sides but for some reason people want to believe that they are on the "sane side"

There is no SANE SIDE




It is as untrue as you saying that both sides are exactly the same.


One side believes in global warming. The other thinks it is a hoax, and scientists are lying.
One side encourages voting. The other goes out of its way to suppress minority voters.
One side believes in evolution. The other side wants creationism taught in science class.
One side works with the other when they are not in power. The other has stated their goal is to never work with the president.

I could keep going, but I think the point has been made. They are the same on a lot of things, but there are HUGE differences, on many issues.

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You are a hypocrite for getting mad at me for misinterpreting your thoughts, and then denying to say your thoughts and instead telling me to "draw my own conclusions". You want it both ways.


No, what I wanted was to have a reasonable discussion with you in the pot thread. You weren't interested in that. You started right off the same way this time, so I am just bailing before it goes ten pages. Call me whatever names you want.
Why are you referencing the pot thread now?

Have I made some list of yours based on some other inactive thread from months ago?

I took your previous criticism of me and attempted to shape my behavior. Instead of trying to guess what you were getting at, I respectfully asked you to state it. I was then told to do the same thing you complained about me doing earlier.

I guess I just can't win with you.

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Chus wrote:
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Go down the list. Mental illness and/or right wing whack job almost everytime.

That is flat out untrue. There are websites detailing that all of them are liberal.

That is also untrue. They come from all sides but for some reason people want to believe that they are on the "sane side"

There is no SANE SIDE




It is as untrue as you saying that both sides are exactly the same.


One side believes in global warming. The other thinks it is a hoax, and scientists are lying.
One side encourages voting. The other goes out of its way to suppress minority voters.
One side believes in evolution. The other side wants creationism taught in science class.
One side works with the other when they are not in power. The other has stated their goal is to never work with the president.

I could keep going, but I think the point has been made. They are the same on a lot of things, but there are HUGE differences, on many issues.


You're very good at sweeping generalizations.....

One whole side is this, one whole did is that......


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You are a hypocrite for getting mad at me for misinterpreting your thoughts, and then denying to say your thoughts and instead telling me to "draw my own conclusions". You want it both ways.


No, what I wanted was to have a reasonable discussion with you in the pot thread. You weren't interested in that. You started right off the same way this time, so I am just bailing before it goes ten pages. Call me whatever names you want.
Why are you referencing the pot thread now?

Have I made some list of yours based on some other inactive thread from months ago?

I took your previous criticism of me and attempted to shape my behavior. Instead of trying to guess what you were getting at, I respectfully asked you to state it. I was then told to do the same thing you complained about me doing earlier.

I guess I just can't win with you.


Fine, I will take the bait. I will try to give the Readers Digest version.

We have a huge gun problem in this country. I don't know how to fix it, but standing around with our thumbs up our asses, while one side says we can't talk about it, is not helping. Taking away everybody's guns is not the answer, so let me clear that up for those with reading comprehension issues.

Since Obama took office, the number of militias has skyrocketed, as has the sale of guns and ammunition. Shootings like this one, are becoming commonplace. The gun fetishization, fear mongering, and rhetoric from the right has to be a factor in many of these incidents. This is what I am talking about, when I refer to the right wing, whack jobs.

Obviously, the mental health care in this country is a huge mess. We can hang that one on St. Ronald. You can see why I am putting more blame on the right for this issue.

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Chus wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Chus wrote:
Go down the list. Mental illness and/or right wing whack job almost everytime.

That is flat out untrue. There are websites detailing that all of them are liberal.

That is also untrue. They come from all sides but for some reason people want to believe that they are on the "sane side"

There is no SANE SIDE




It is as untrue as you saying that both sides are exactly the same.


One side believes in global warming. The other thinks it is a hoax, and scientists are lying.
One side encourages voting. The other goes out of its way to suppress minority voters.
One side believes in evolution. The other side wants creationism taught in science class.
One side works with the other when they are not in power. The other has stated their goal is to never work with the president.

I could keep going, but I think the point has been made. They are the same on a lot of things, but there are HUGE differences, on many issues.


You're very good at sweeping generalizations.....

One whole side is this, one whole did is that......


Are you really that dense?

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You are a hypocrite for getting mad at me for misinterpreting your thoughts, and then denying to say your thoughts and instead telling me to "draw my own conclusions". You want it both ways.


No, what I wanted was to have a reasonable discussion with you in the pot thread. You weren't interested in that. You started right off the same way this time, so I am just bailing before it goes ten pages. Call me whatever names you want.
Why are you referencing the pot thread now?

Have I made some list of yours based on some other inactive thread from months ago?

I took your previous criticism of me and attempted to shape my behavior. Instead of trying to guess what you were getting at, I respectfully asked you to state it. I was then told to do the same thing you complained about me doing earlier.

I guess I just can't win with you.


Fine, I will take the bait. I will try to give the Readers Digest version.

We have a huge gun problem in this country. I don't know how to fix it, but standing around with our thumbs up our asses, while one side says we can't talk about it, is not helping. Taking away everybody's guns is not the answer, so let me clear that up for those with reading comprehension issues.

Since Obama took office, the number of militias has skyrocketed, as has the sale of guns and ammunition. Shootings like this one, are becoming commonplace. The gun fetishization, fear mongering, and rhetoric from the right has to be a factor in many of these incidents. This is what I am talking about, when I refer to the right wing, whack jobs.

Obviously, the mental health care in this country is a huge mess. We can hang that one on St. Ronald. You can see why I am putting more blame on the right for this issue.


What's your the definition of commonplace?


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What's your the definition of commonplace?


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/commonplace

Don't you have some white knighting to do?

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Since Obama took office, the number of militias has skyrocketed, as has the sale of guns and ammunition. Shootings like this one, are becoming commonplace. The gun fetishization, fear mongering, and rhetoric from the right has to be a factor in many of these incidents. This is what I am talking about, when I refer to the right wing, whack jobs.

Obviously, the mental health care in this country is a huge mess. We can hang that one on St. Ronald. You can see why I am putting more blame on the right for this issue.
Thank you. That makes your feelings much more known.

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What's your the definition of commonplace?


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/commonplace

Don't you have some white knighting to do?


No. But you are definitely in the middle of BRick giving you an assfucking. Noy so easy when you're going at it with someone not named chaspoopcup, huh?


And these shootings aren't commonplace.

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But you are definitely in the middle of BRick giving you an assfucking. Noy so easy when you're going at it with someone not named chaspoopcup, huh?


Opinions vary.


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And these shootings aren't commonplace.

Nice to know.


Yes, they are. They are happening weekly, sometimes more frequently. There have been three since Friday.

Maybe you are that dense.

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Go down the list. Mental illness and/or right wing whack job almost everytime.

That is flat out untrue. There are websites detailing that all of them are liberal.

That is also untrue. They come from all sides but for some reason people want to believe that they are on the "sane side"

There is no SANE SIDE




It is as untrue as you saying that both sides are exactly the same.

Ok, so when you said the shooters are all mental illness or republican, that was false?




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One side believes in global warming. The other thinks it is a hoax, and scientists are lying.
One side encourages voting. The other goes out of its way to suppress minority voters.
One side believes in evolution. The other side wants creationism taught in science class.
One side works with the other when they are not in power. The other has stated their goal is to never work with the president.

I could keep going, but I think the point has been made. They are the same on a lot of things, but there are HUGE differences, on many issues.

:lol:

Yes, only democrats believe in global warming and evolution and only republicans question it. I could disprove that in about 0.02 seconds with google.

A 2012 Gallup poll found that “58 percent of Republicans believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years,” compared with 41 percent of Democrats.


After the 04 election Democrats were obstructing too. But let's pretend it was invented in 2008


And the fact that you think either party "works with party in power" as opposed to doing whatever is best for their party is laughable. All of them are out to get re elected and acquire more power. That is it.




I have to say, I respect you and think you're a smart guy but I dont understand how you can just tow the company line with democrats so much. They are scumbags, just like the republicans.


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After I post, there are four guests in the forum. Why do some of you have to log off, so nobody sees you reading?

Not me . I enjoy a good ass fucking as long as it's not me getting ass fucked.

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Ok, so when you said the shooters are all mental illness or republican, that was false?


You said it yourself that you would have to be mentally ill to go on a shooting spree. I never said they were all Republicans.


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Are you really trying to say that there aren't far more deniers on the right?

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A 2012 Gallup poll found that “58 percent of Republicans believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years,” compared with 41 percent of Democrats.


What's your point?


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After the 04 election Democrats were obstructing too. But let's pretend it was invented in 2008




And the fact that you think either party "works with party in power" as opposed to doing whatever is best for their party is laughable. All of them are out to get re elected and acquire more power. That is it.


I said the obstruction is much worse now than I have ever seen, and it's true. The R's had the House and Senate for the first six years of W's presidency, so I don't see how the D's have been as bad as this current brand of R's. Does not compute.



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I have to say, I respect you and think you're a smart guy but I dont understand how you can just tow the company line with democrats so much. They are scumbags, just like the republicans.


Professing great disdain for the embarrassment known as this current Republican party is not the same as "towing the line" for the Democrats. They are weak, spineless, and ineffective, but I see them as the slightly lesser of two evils. Perhaps you could list some examples of me towing the line.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Ok, so when you said the shooters are all mental illness or republican, that was false?


You said it yourself that you would have to be mentally ill to go on a shooting spree. I never said they were all Republicans.


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Yes, only democrats believe in global warming and evolution and only republicans question it. I could disprove that in about 0.02 seconds with google.


Are you really trying to say that there aren't far more deniers on the right?

No, that's not what you said you said

One side believes in evolution. The other side wants creationism taught in science class.






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A 2012 Gallup poll found that “58 percent of Republicans believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years,” compared with 41 percent of Democrats.

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What's your point?

My point, quite obviously, is that your statement that I just reposted is false and misleading.


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After the 04 election Democrats were obstructing too. But let's pretend it was invented in 2008




And the fact that you think either party "works with party in power" as opposed to doing whatever is best for their party is laughable. All of them are out to get re elected and acquire more power. That is it.

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I said the obstruction is much worse now than I have ever seen, and it's true. The R's had the House and Senate for the first six years of W's presidency, so I don't see how the D's have been as bad as this current brand of R's. Does not compute.

Again, that is not what you said

One side works with the other when they are not in power. The other has stated their goal is to never work with the president.


Is this a joke?

Why the HUGE generalizations that you admit are not true?

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I have to say, I respect you and think you're a smart guy but I dont understand how you can just tow the company line with democrats so much. They are scumbags, just like the republicans.


Professing great disdain for the embarrassment known as this current Republican party is not the same as "towing the line" for the Democrats. They are weak, spineless, and ineffective, but I see them as the slightly lesser of two evils. Perhaps you could list some examples of me towing the line.

Well we apparently disagree on what you say and what you mean by what you say because I would say the 4 points you posted were straight Dem talking points.


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After I post, there are four guests in the forum. Why do some of you have to log off, so nobody sees you reading?

Do you really believe that your posts are causing people to log on and off? Why would they?


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