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What problems has Garcia had in the big leagues besides getting injured?


Does doing the wife of your all star teammate count?

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No one said it is awesome we suck. I knew when they hired Theo that this was coming. This was a GROUND UP rebuild. You can't do that in a couple years. The first wave of prospects are coming up the next couple years. That is when you want to see your team improving.
This is always the fall back. Don't talk about how great it is that you suck this year and how much better it is then winning and then go back to something like this. Your posts clearly indicate that the Cubs are having a better season than the Sox, even though the Sox are having a better season to date.

You think it is great that the Cubs are terrible right now. You are going as far as bashing another GM for improving the team in one year and not following the same plan of not even coming close to being competitive. Don't turn off your meatball switch. Just own it.

I just hope the catcher from Indiana was worth a year of terrible baseball by your favorite team. I'm sure he is a franchise changing player and it will be worth spending a year of your life watching a team lose so they could get him.



Hold on David Copperfield. I never said half this shit you are talking about. :?

Never said it is great they are terrible. I said, I don't care what they do the first few years of a rebuild. I care when the prospects start coming up.

I said Hahn is putting the carrot on the stick and you are the jackasses believing this team can contend. More power to him if it works. You're not going to win championships with guys like Eaton,Davidson and A.Garcia. Abreau was a good signing, but he is a veteran not a young rookie.

Untill the prospects come up I don't care if they lose. They sure as hell are not going to win the World Series if they picked up a bunch of place holders like the sox did last offseason (-Abreu) Cubs tried to sign Taneoka SP and I think they put in a bid for Abreu. The international market is where I want them to spend on FA at this point, not pick up some 30 yr old declining player who will handcuff the team when they are ready to contend.
This is the problem. Everyone falls back to "I didn't specifically say that!".

Sorry, it's obvious what you are saying. The Sox, even when having a significantly better season, aren't doing nearly as good of a job as the Cubs. You want the Cubs to lose every game because that will somehow translate to winning championships at a far higher rate than simply wanting to improve your team every year.

Don't be so antagonistic about the Sox when your team is going through another terrible season with the promise that one day it will work out. In 3 years, when the Cubs are holding the World Series trophy, then talk. Now, just sit there in silence and hope that the catcher you just drafted in the first round was worth a year of terrible baseball.

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What problems has Garcia had in the big leagues besides getting injured?


Does doing the wife of your all star teammate count?

:lol:



Sox fans will always have an inferiority complex, they have been the better organization in my lifetime and have far fewer fans and headlines ..

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What problems has Garcia had in the big leagues besides getting injured?


Does doing the wife of your all star teammate count?


can you think of a reason it wouldn't

Avi Garcia's most comparable player is Rafael Palmeiro.

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[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.

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You're not going to win championships with guys like Crede, Rowand, and J. Garland.


When in doubt, go back to 2004. How long did that great dynasty last?


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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.

There is no way Rodon is the top prospect in the city right now.

Bryant is clearly that guy right now.

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good dolphin wrote:
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What problems has Garcia had in the big leagues besides getting injured?


Does doing the wife of your all star teammate count?


can you think of a reason it wouldn't

Avi Garcia's most comparable player is Rafael Palmeiro.


Avi's on steroids? Does he have a Viagra commercial?


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[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.


The comfortable truth is you're delusional. :lol: Hawk homerism at its best.


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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.

Two very Soxy posts


There is NOTHING about Bryant that says anything other than Superstar type player. Everything that has happened since the day he was drafted has been positive.

Avi Garcia had two good games in a playoff series (was very average overall in playoffs) and he is the obvious choice for superstar...come on


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Avi Garcia had two good games in a playoff series (was very average overall in playoffs) and he is the obvious choice for superstar...come on



No, a guy who hasn't played above AA is the obvious choice. Come on. How many minor league "superstars" do you have to see bust before you are cautious? Or does it just go on and on and on and on and on. The superstars were Castro and Rizzo. Now they're "pieces" and the superstars are Bryant and Baez. Why would I think we won't be having this conversation in two years with you saying Bryant and Baez are pieces and the superstars are Schwarber and Stinnett?

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Juiced wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.


The comfortable truth is you're delusional. :lol: Hawk homerism at its best.


I understand the truth is difficult to hear.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.

Two very Soxy posts


There is NOTHING about Bryant that says anything other than Superstar type player. Everything that has happened since the day he was drafted has been positive.


and Rodon is better...best pitching prospect in the draft since Price/Strausburg was the report on him...so I repeat without any sarcasm that he IS the top prospect on either team immediately

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good dolphin wrote:
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[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.


The comfortable truth is you're delusional. :lol: Hawk homerism at its best.


I understand the truth is difficult to hear.



The Cubs prospects were better two years ago. :lol:

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Rizzo was never slated to be a superstar. Imaginary memory. Castro? Yes.


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When in doubt, go back to 2004. How long did that great dynasty last?
Oh no, we only won 1 title!

How many titles do you think the Cubs will win with Bryant?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Avi Garcia had two good games in a playoff series (was very average overall in playoffs) and he is the obvious choice for superstar...come on



No, a guy who hasn't played above AA is the obvious choice. Come on. How many minor league "superstars" do you have to see bust before you are cautious? Or does it just go on and on and on and on and on. The superstars were Castro and Rizzo. Now they're "pieces" and the superstars are Bryant and Baez. Why would I think we won't be having this conversation in two years with you saying Bryant and Baez are pieces and the superstars are Schwarber and Stinnett?

Completely false. Rizzo was never seen as a superstar and Castro was compared to Renteria who is also not a superstar. That goes for most people. As for me personally the last person I deemed a super star was Mark Prior.

And Im not even saying Bryant will be a star. Im just playing your game of guessing.


And Ive seen no one call Baez a superstar except for Sox fans in a sarcastic tone.


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[ If I had to pick a young guy on the Sox or Cubs that had the best shot of being a "superstar", Garcia is the obvious guy.


The uncomfortable truth is that Carlos Rodon is the top prospect in this city on either side of town the moment he signs his name to a contract. Even with the minor league success Bryant and Baez have seen, if you put them in a draft tomorrow, Rodon goes #1 over them.

Two very Soxy posts


There is NOTHING about Bryant that says anything other than Superstar type player. Everything that has happened since the day he was drafted has been positive.


and Rodon is better

No, he's not

If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams


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[quote="rogers park bryan No, he's not

If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams[/quote]

Team #1 that just passed on him signed their guy under slot, giving a strong indication that both player and team consider him to currently be a lesser talent than Rodon.

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If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams



Is Trout a superstar? Why was he passed by so many teams?

Along with rewriting history on Rizzo who Hoyer and Epstein followed around like a couple of lovesick stalkers, now we're just getting silly.

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now we're just getting silly.

Agreed. Speculating that a guy who has yet to throw one pitch for an organization is the top prospect in a city is really silly.

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If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams



Is Trout a superstar? Why was he passed by so many teams?

Along with rewriting history on Rizzo who Hoyer and Epstein followed around like a couple of lovesick stalkers, now we're just getting silly.


I'm not even talking about the future. TODAY, Rodon is a better prospect than Bryant

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Speculating that a guy who has yet to throw one pitch for an organization is the top prospect in a city is really silly.
I agree, but Cubs fans did the same thing with Bryant, and the pitchers that came back in the Garza trade.

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Speculating that a guy who has yet to throw one pitch for an organization is the top prospect in a city is really silly.
I agree, but Cubs fans did the same thing with Bryant, and the pitchers that came back in the Garza trade.

No one proclaimed pitchers from Garza trade as top prospects in the city of Chicago.

Many were excited about Bryant but most felt Baez was the top prospect for the Cubs up until recently.

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If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams



Is Trout a superstar? Why was he passed by so many teams?

Along with rewriting history on Rizzo who Hoyer and Epstein followed around like a couple of lovesick stalkers, now we're just getting silly.

No, you're getting silly.

There is a thread on here detailing Cubs fan reactions. You will not find anything close to a superstar prediction.


And as per usual you are confusing what you hear from Bernstein and applying it to Cub fans


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Many were excited about Bryant but most felt Baez was the top prospect for the Cubs up until recently.



The superstars were Castro and Rizzo. Now they're "pieces" and the superstars are Bryant and Baez. Why would I think we won't be having this conversation in two years with you saying Bryant and Baez are pieces and the superstars are Schwarber and Stinnett?

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You know who was talking up Castro like a superstar before he played a game in the majors? Steve Stone.

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If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams



Is Trout a superstar? Why was he passed by so many teams?

Along with rewriting history on Rizzo who Hoyer and Epstein followed around like a couple of lovesick stalkers, now we're just getting silly.


I'm not even talking about the future. TODAY, Rodon is a better prospect than Bryant

Well, the midseason prospect list will come out and we'll see what they think.

Then you can gloat if you're right and decry the lists in general when you're wrong


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If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams



Is Trout a superstar? Why was he passed by so many teams?

Along with rewriting history on Rizzo who Hoyer and Epstein followed around like a couple of lovesick stalkers, now we're just getting silly.

No, you're getting silly.

There is a thread on here detailing Cubs fan reactions. You will not find anything close to a superstar prediction.


And as per usual you are confusing what you hear from Bernstein and applying it to Cub fans


You're being ridiculous. I don't have to go back any further than the Abreu/Rizzo thread. Many of you still think he's a superstar. Why not own it?

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