Isn't This Super Bowl Thursday For You Douchebags?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Many were excited about Bryant but most felt Baez was the top prospect for the Cubs up until recently.

The superstars were Castro and Rizzo. Now they're "pieces" and the superstars are Bryant and Baez. Why would I think we won't be having this conversation in two years with you saying Bryant and Baez are pieces and the superstars are Schwarber and Stinnett?

You can keep repeating this. Its never going to be true.

Are you really going to make me link the threads?

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:58 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Well, the midseason prospect list will come out and we'll see what they think.

Does it matter what they think? Why are they more expert in their wrong opinions than good dolphin is in his?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams

Is Trout a superstar? Why was he passed by so many teams?

Along with rewriting history on Rizzo who Hoyer and Epstein followed around like a couple of lovesick stalkers, now we're just getting silly.

No, you're getting silly.

There is a thread on here detailing Cubs fan reactions. You will not find anything close to a superstar prediction.

And as per usual you are confusing what you hear from Bernstein and applying it to Cub fans

You're being ridiculous. I don't have to go back any further than the Abreu/Rizzo thread. Many of you still think he's a superstar. Why not own it?

Not true. You're just lying now.

You're very biased on Cubs Sox topics. You paint everything to make the Sox and their fans look good and vice versa. That's why you talk about near championships, finishing second to the yankees and Avi Garcia being a superstar

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:59 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

You know who was talking up Castro like a superstar before he played a game in the majors? Steve Stone.

Who did he say Castro would be FAR SUPERIOR than?

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:00 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Many were excited about Bryant but most felt Baez was the top prospect for the Cubs up until recently.

The superstars were Castro and Rizzo. Now they're "pieces" and the superstars are Bryant and Baez. Why would I think we won't be having this conversation in two years with you saying Bryant and Baez are pieces and the superstars are Schwarber and Stinnett?

You can keep repeating this. Its never going to be true.

Are you really going to make me link the threads?

You better not. You won't like what you find. Start with the Abreu and Rizzo thread.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Well, the midseason prospect list will come out and we'll see what they think.

Does it matter what they think? Why are they more expert in their wrong opinions than good dolphin is in his?

Well they do it for a living and dolphin doesnt so...

Just like Scouts know better

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:02 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Well, the midseason prospect list will come out and we'll see what they think.

Does it matter what they think? Why are they more expert in their wrong opinions than good dolphin is in his?

Well they do it for a living and dolphin doesnt so...

Just like Scouts know better

Most make a living from Google Adsense not from analyzing baseball.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Many were excited about Bryant but most felt Baez was the top prospect for the Cubs up until recently.

The superstars were Castro and Rizzo. Now they're "pieces" and the superstars are Bryant and Baez. Why would I think we won't be having this conversation in two years with you saying Bryant and Baez are pieces and the superstars are Schwarber and Stinnett?

You can keep repeating this. Its never going to be true.

Are you really going to make me link the threads?

You better not. You won't like what you find. Start with the Abreu and Rizzo thread.

No, Ill go back two years like you said.

And there is no one calling Rizzo a superstar in the Abreu thread. The closest thing is IMU saying he's a young Joey Votto. So even that has a caveat. But then again we had guys calling comparing Sale to Randy Johnson (style, not results) but that's cool because theyre sox fans

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:06 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

And there is no one calling Rizzo a superstar in the Abreu thread. The closest thing is IMU saying he's a young Joey Votto. So even that has a caveat. But then again we had guys calling comparing Sale to Randy Johnson (style, not results) but that's cool because theyre sox fans

There's a big difference between comparing style and expected results though, isn't there?

If Rizzo wasn't an expected superstar wasn't it silly to give away what Hoyer gave for him on two occasions? And that being the case, how can anyone have any faith in the plan?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82153

rogers park bryan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

If he were as great as you say, he wouldnt have been passed over by two other teams

Is Trout a superstar? Why was he passed by so many teams?

Along with rewriting history on Rizzo who Hoyer and Epstein followed around like a couple of lovesick stalkers, now we're just getting silly.

I'm not even talking about the future. TODAY, Rodon is a better prospect than Bryant

Well, the midseason prospect list will come out and we'll see what they think.

Then you can gloat if you're right and decry the lists in general when you're wrong

I don't gloat when I'm correct.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=70156&start=75

6 page thread on Anthony Rizzo. You will not find ONE legit superstar claim. In fact the bullshit claims that Cub fans love this guy by Sox fans are ultra present.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

And there is no one calling Rizzo a superstar in the Abreu thread. The closest thing is IMU saying he's a young Joey Votto. So even that has a caveat. But then again we had guys calling comparing Sale to Randy Johnson (style, not results) but that's cool because theyre sox fans

There's a big difference between comparing style and expected results though, isn't there?

Right. Both are style comparisons. But you deem one of them as a normal comp and the other as OMG CUB FANS THINK THIS GUY IS MICKEY MANTLE

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

If Rizzo wasn't an expected superstar wasn't it silly to give away what Hoyer gave for him on two occasions? And that being the case, how can anyone have any faith in the plan?

That has nothing to do with your incorrect statements about Cub fans. Maybe they gave up too much to get a guy who will just be decent. That doesnt change history. Cub fans didnt go crazy over Rizzo.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82153

I thought Castro was going to be a star. I don't see how you couldn't after his first two years.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:11 pm

good dolphin wrote:

I thought Castro was going to be a star. I don't see how you couldn't after his first two years.

Agree. And yet, Sox fans were/are mocked for thinking Gordon Beckham could have become a star based on his rookie campaign.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82153

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

And there is no one calling Rizzo a superstar in the Abreu thread. The closest thing is IMU saying he's a young Joey Votto. So even that has a caveat. But then again we had guys calling comparing Sale to Randy Johnson (style, not results) but that's cool because theyre sox fans

There's a big difference between comparing style and expected results though, isn't there?

Right. Both are style comparisons. But you deem one of them as a normal comp and the other as OMG CUB FANS THINK THIS GUY IS MICKEY MANTLE.

The thing about the comparison, though, is that Sale IS arguably the best pitcher in baseball...certainly in the conversation

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Here's a sampling of the over the top reactions of Cub fans when Keith Law said Castro would be a star

spmack wrote:

The next Ty Griffin....

rogers park bryan wrote:

I value Law's opinion but I detest the cub hype machine. Still gotta abide the Law . He ll be good

Douchebag wrote:

"Downtown" Roosevelt Brown?

Northside_Dan wrote:

For what it's worth Chase Utley had 2 home runs in 134 AB's when he was 24 as an example. Castro is still so young, the article was just commenting and projecting based on his mechanics and reasonable body development. Obviously as Cub fans we are familiar with can't miss prospects missing with this team, so I understand the desire to keep expectations reasonable.

denisdman wrote:

Exactly, I want expectations to be reasonable, and not end up with a "5 tool" label like Patterson. Then they start swinging for the fences in every at bat.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

So, no one ever predicted superstardom for Rizzo and the only predictions about Castro came after two great seasons at the MLB level.

Glad we cleared that up.

Brick · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:17 pm

The next logical evolution here is "If you didn't think Castro and Rizzo would be stars, then who in the Cubs system do you think will be a star?".

These predictions of "sustained success" have to come from some of these players in the system now.

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:18 pm

bigfan wrote:

Then trading Rizzo for A Gonz, places him in that elite class in terms of prospects.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Hall of Fame

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Is it to early to nickname him "the .44 caliber killer"

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I just want Rizzo to have a great career including a half dozen or more All-Star years and a number of years when he's mentioned amongst the MVP candidates.....not too much to ask, is it??

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:22 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

The next logical evolution here is "If you didn't think Castro and Rizzo would be stars, then who in the Cubs system do you think will be a star?".

These predictions of "sustained success" have to come from some of these players in the system now.

Great question! We know they are going to win multiple championships. It's gonna happen! So who are the superstars? Cub fans are now denying Rizzo and Castro. Are the superstars Baez and Bryant? I would like a brave committment here. If you don't see any superstars in the system, why would you believe the plan is working?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

bigfan wrote:

Then trading Rizzo for A Gonz, places him in that elite class in terms of prospects.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Hall of Fame

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Is it to early to nickname him "the .44 caliber killer"

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I just want Rizzo to have a great career including a half dozen or more All-Star years and a number of years when he's mentioned amongst the MVP candidates.....not too much to ask, is it??

So Big Fan called him an Elite PROSPECT and three other guys made jokes. Really?

Why not just admit you're wrong or that the Cub fans you're apparently talking about dont post here?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

The next logical evolution here is "If you didn't think Castro and Rizzo would be stars, then who in the Cubs system do you think will be a star?".

These predictions of "sustained success" have to come from some of these players in the system now.

Im a fan. Not really my job. I hope they all turn out to be superstars. Bryant seems to have the best chance, but who knows.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

The next logical evolution here is "If you didn't think Castro and Rizzo would be stars, then who in the Cubs system do you think will be a star?".

These predictions of "sustained success" have to come from some of these players in the system now.

Great question! We know they are going to win multiple championships. It's gonna happen! So who are the superstars? Cub fans are now denying Rizzo and Castro. Are the superstars Baez and Bryant? I would like a brave committment here. If you don't see any superstars in the system, why would you believe the plan is working?

Again, arguing with known Sox fan Dan Bernstein but aiming it at Cub fans

No Cub fan has predicted multiple championships

There is no denial of Rizzo and Castro as your theory on Cub fans loving them has been proven false.

Who said the plan is working?

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:27 pm

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I just want Rizzo to have a great career including a half dozen or more All-Star years and a number of years when he's mentioned amongst the MVP candidates.....not too much to ask, is it??

Good ol' Steve. 'He just wants" Rizzo to have a Frank Thomas type career.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I just want Rizzo to have a great career including a half dozen or more All-Star years and a number of years when he's mentioned amongst the MVP candidates.....not too much to ask, is it??

Good ol' Steve. 'He just wants" Rizzo to have a Frank Thomas type career.

Come the fuck on! Are you serious? He was clearly being facetious

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:28 pm

With steve, you never know.

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:30 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Again, arguing with known Sox fan Dan Bernstein but aiming it at Cub fans

No Cub fan has predicted multiple championships

There is no denial of Rizzo and Castro as your theory on Cub fans loving them has been proven false.

Who said the plan is working?

Are you really saying no Cub fans here think "The Plan" is working? That seems kind of silly when Bucky Chris drops multiple iDevices to begin typing each time someone criticizes Theo.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:31 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Who said the plan is working?

I think it is. Overall, I believe organizationally the Cubs have progressed quite a bit since Theo/Jed took over. The most important part isn't where I want it but there are rays of sunlight.

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:32 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Who said the plan is working?

I think it is. Overall, I believe organizationally the Cubs have progressed quite a bit since Theo/Jed took over. The most important part isn't where I want it but there are rays of sunlight.

Are there any superstars in the organization?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Yeah well that one was so facetious you shouldnt even ask. He even ended it with "not too much to ask is it"

So as far as Rizzo, pretty much every Cub fan on this board expressed slight optimism after first listing the past failures and how you never know.

No one ever predicted him to be a Star. Not on this board.

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