I'm already on record as saying Rizzo should bat second.

The Cubs are missing good 3 and 4 hitters.

Bryant and Baez just happen to look like they could be good 3 and 4 hitters.

Convenient, yes?

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You mean high OPB guy.

Whoops Correct, 'arps!

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Changing the direction of the argument is usually a sign that you lost said argument. I see this went from "Abreu vs Rizzo" to "Abreu isn't an ideal 3 hitter". That's fine. At least we know the first debate is over.

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Unless I'm misunderstanding things, it is also saying "He's too good to be a 3 hitter. He should be a 4 hitter." In that case, guilty as charged. It sucks that Abreu is too good at hitting.

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Agree, agree. I'm fine with Abroo hitting where he is. He gets back in the lineup and Flowers goes yard last night. He helps everybody.

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No, the best hitter hits third usually.

Abreu is better than Rizzo right now

Nothing Rizzo has done in his career has shown me he will ever be as good as Abreu is now, small sample size notwithstanding.

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This is the kind of thing that gets ridiculed by SABRmetric wannabe guys, but I'll say it anyway. Abreu is affecting the entire approach that pitchers have to the White Sox lineup. Everything is done with him in mind, where he's at in the order and when he's coming up. That isn't the case for Rizzo. I'm not saying that it never will be, it just isn't right now. And what I'm talking about goes beyond the numbers. There are plenty of offensive numbers one could use to make a case that SDwight Evans was better than Jim Rice, but if you ever watched their teams and you know anything about the game, you understand that those numbers are lying. Nobody- no pitcher, no manager, no pitching coach- nobody, ever went through the Red Sox lineup and said, "Uh oh, Dewey is up."

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BUT RIZZO HAS A 1.2 WAR SAME AS ABREU HE MUST BE JUST AS GOOD HANGUP ON YOURSELF!

AHHAHHAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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He's had a couple real good half seasons. If he put it together for a whole year he could be a .290 35 100 RBI guy


Abreu might be better than that though.

I agree!

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If he stays healthy and starts getting on base more, youll be right.

I brought the batting order thing up weeks ago.

Abreu is much, much better than Rizzo YTD.

I'm not conceding the argument over their respective careers....or hell, even for the entirety of this season.

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So I just realized the .755 OPS was a lie. Where did you get that number Frank? He never had a .755 OPS.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... &year=2014

And he has a .880 OPS today, compared to Abreu's .938.

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....sticks out as a LIE

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Has it landed yet?

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Did I hear Caninao hit the longest HR at the Cell?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

YES the longest this year at The Cell
Abreu, Jose 05/09/14 443'
second longest
Bogaerts, Xander 04/17/14 437'

But those are nothing compared to Wrigley
Weeks, Rickie 05/18/14 464'
Lake, Junior 04/09/14 451'
Alvarez, Pedro 04/10/14 446'

and those do not come close to the TOP 5 in MLB up through today
Stanton, Giancarlo MIA 04/04/14 484'
Ortiz, David BOS 04/22/14 482'
Upton, Justin ATL 04/10/14 477'
Ramirez, Hanley LAD 06/08/14 472'
Goldschmidt, Paul ARI 05/28/14 470'

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480' or 337' to LF, its still a round tripper.

Far superior.

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Rizzo has surpassed Abreu in OPS as of today.

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Poor Steve Stone.

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no more exciting play in baseball than a power hitter walking with a man on base

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You all loved OPS until today. Wha happen?!

Again, the Cubs don't have a power bat like Abreu. If they did, he would be hitting in the four spot.



Rizzo is actually where he should be in the line-up, doing exactly what he should be doing. Castro is the one who is sort of miscast, yet he is doing a hell of a job where he is as well.

edit: I don't even want to use that code section...it does a bad job of summarizing any batting order position besides lead-off and cleanup. And it assumes your team is full of offensive stars. I guess, in summary, you can't go wrong with Rizzo or Abreu anywhere in the lineup.

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Rizzo is tied 11th overall in MLB for HRs. That's a decent power bat.