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 Post subject: Re: Prison System
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:16 am 
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I guess I was ignorant as to what entity but attendance stats are a factor in funding

You're on the right track.

That funding is from the state, and that's only on the first day of school. Thus the big push in CPS (and most other districts) for every kid to get to school on the first day of class.

But again, please refer to my (sort of) accurate chart above to see where the state funding ranks for Illinois public schools compared to local tax revenues.

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 Post subject: Re: Prison System
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As this is my neck of the woods, I heard about this earlier in the week and this practice seems so idiotic.
You owe the state money, so come to jail for two days where we will pay to feed and take care of you and the debt is forgiven?!?!?! What?


they better bill that freeloading family for the cleanup service that had to toss her dead body in the dumpster. i'm sick of all these leeches getting a free ride, ain't i right brickeroo?

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Oh yeah.

Just a....curious reason for the nomination. Add it to the list.

You're ok with what happened?

That's totally what I said. Exactly.

Ok. So why is this a curious reason for the nomination?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:28 am 
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The school attendance part of State founding in Illinois is based on best three month average of attendance in a school year or the three year school attendance average, which ever is higher. First day of school doesn't matter, nor does how many kids are registered.

Another fun fact is the City of Chicago actually taxes its residents under the fixed rate of 3% for living in a Unit school district. So they actually cost themselves money every year.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:35 am 
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The school attendance part of State founding in Illinois is based on best three month average of attendance in a school year or the three year school attendance average, which ever is higher. First day of school doesn't matter, nor does how many kids are registered.

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That funding is from the state, and that's only on the first day of school. Thus the big push in CPS (and most other districts) for every kid to get to school on the first day of class.


Interesting. Aren't both these guys teachers? Someone's wrong.

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The school attendance part of State founding in Illinois is based on best three month average of attendance in a school year or the three year school attendance average, which ever is higher. First day of school doesn't matter, nor does how many kids are registered.

spanky wrote:
That funding is from the state, and that's only on the first day of school. Thus the big push in CPS (and most other districts) for every kid to get to school on the first day of class.


Interesting. Aren't both these guys teachers? Someone's wrong.


I took a school finance class last summer. Its interesting if you are good with numbers.

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The greater of the prior year best three months average daily attendance (B3MADA) or the average of this
figure and the two prior years’ B3MADA is used to calculate GSA. This is an adjustment that benefits
districts with a declining number of students. Per statute, the assumed tax rates applied to each district’s
Equalized Assessed Valuations (EAVs) are 3.00 percent for unit districts, 2.30 percent for elementary
districts and 1.05 percent for high school districts. These rates are used to determine local property
wealth in the GSA formula grant. There is no required tax rate for access to the formula.


http://www.isbe.net/funding/pdf/gsa_overview.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Prison System
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conns7901 wrote:
The school attendance part of State founding in Illinois is based on best three month average of attendance in a school year or the three year school attendance average, which ever is higher. First day of school doesn't matter, nor does how many kids are registered.

spanky wrote:
That funding is from the state, and that's only on the first day of school. Thus the big push in CPS (and most other districts) for every kid to get to school on the first day of class.


Interesting. Aren't both these guys teachers? Someone's wrong.

Good one. In the interest of accuracy, 2 of the 3 of us work in education. One of us is clueless.

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You should be mad at Conns, not me. I didn't prove you wrong. And I freely admit I don't have the first clue nor give one shit how public schools are funded.

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 Post subject: Re: Prison System
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The prison system in this country is a travesty, nothing but a fucking travesty.

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You should be mad at Conns, not me. I didn't prove you wrong. And I freely admit I don't have the first clue nor give one shit how public schools are funded.

"Mad" :lol: :lol:


We're both right. Try and keep up.

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 Post subject: Re: Prison System
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There’s no doubt that Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is one of the most iconic films from the 1980s. Ferrisskips school, goes to a Cubs game, drives a Ferrari, gets the gorgeous girl, and outwits Principal Rooney. But would we have been laughing if Ferris’ mother had been thrown in jail because of her son’s truancy and ended up dying there?

That’s exactly what happened to 55-year-old Pennsylvania mom Eileen DiNino. The unemployed mother of seven didn’t have the wealth of the fictional Bueller family, so she was unable to pony up $2,000 for truancy fines that her kids racked up for missing school.



No child has a "transportation" problem to get to school. there can take a bus to school, having a parent drive them to school is not necessary. In this case, having a job that involved working a night shift wasn't a factor, since the deceased was unemployed. No, she was just a lousy mother who allowed her children to skip school regularly. She died while in prison and that is unfortunate, but the idea of the sentence is not to punish anyone as much as to have a means by which to motivate parents to get their kids to school, rather than allowing them to destroy any chance they may have at a better future by dropping out of school.

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 Post subject: Re: Prison System
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The prison system in this country is a travesty, nothing but a fucking travesty.



So don't commit any crimes and you won't have to deal with it. It's not supposed to be Club Med.

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I am thinking fining parents and putting them in prison because their kids didn't come to school is probably the problem here.



Funny, I was thinking that allowing kids to skip school was the problem here.....

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Mr. Reason wrote:
The prison system in this country is a travesty, nothing but a fucking travesty.



So don't commit any crimes and you won't have to deal with it. It's not supposed to be Club Med.

Im thinking that Reason meant that a little differently than you read it. He's not saying Jail blows man. He's talking about the entire system.

What is your opinion on the prison industrial complex, Steve?


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I would just stop mentioning things people do in movies as an opening point of discussion for any debate on society.

...what if Bruce Willis's crew got all their demands met before they went to drill the Asteroid and didn't have to pay taxes ever?

..what if 6 kids came back to the same summer camp every 4 or 5 years, and the murders continued each time, would they call in a SWAT team?

...what if the rowdiest member of the rowdiest fraternity, had a 0.0, could he ever really be Senator?


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No child has a "transportation" problem to get to school. there can take a bus to school, having a parent drive them to school is not necessary. In this case, having a job that involved working a night shift wasn't a factor, since the deceased was unemployed. No, she was just a lousy mother who allowed her children to skip school regularly. She died while in prison and that is unfortunate, but the idea of the sentence is not to punish anyone as much as to have a means by which to motivate parents to get their kids to school, rather than allowing them to destroy any chance they may have at a better future by dropping out of school.


3 grade schools in our district have no bus service and bus service is only for kids that are x distance it is not offered to everybody.

I do wish people valued education more though.


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No child has a "transportation" problem to get to school. there can take a bus to school, having a parent drive them to school is not necessary. In this case, having a job that involved working a night shift wasn't a factor, since the deceased was unemployed. No, she was just a lousy mother who allowed her children to skip school regularly. She died while in prison and that is unfortunate, but the idea of the sentence is not to punish anyone as much as to have a means by which to motivate parents to get their kids to school, rather than allowing them to destroy any chance they may have at a better future by dropping out of school.


3 grade schools in our district have no bus service and bus service is only for kids that are x distance it is not offered to everybody.

I do wish people valued education more though.


Well, if you live within blocks of the school, you can walk or ride a bike to school. Define X distance, or it means nothing. I find it hard to believe they are making kids walk over a mile to get to school.

Yes. little should be valued more than education. It provides the less fortunate the means by which they can dramatically better their circumstances and lead a healthy, happy, productive life. Parents who instill the thought that it's a waste of time, or do not stress the importance of getting to school on time every day and doing the work expected of them, set their child up for a far more difficult life.

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