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why would lebron come to chicago and willingly invite all of the "he's not jordan" comparisons?

at least with kevin love he's some kind of an egotistical asshat who minnesota might want to get rid of while his value is maxed out. that's one thing. maybe melo cuz he wants some of that thibodeau discipline and actual coaching. but lebron? no way in hell.

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It's another brilliant Bernstein article.

Two days ago - "Be more like the Spurs"

Today - "Go after the best player in the world"

This guy should run an organization. He has the answers no one else thinks of.

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Why is the personality of the athlete important anyway. I don't watch sports because I'm looking for the man of the year. I watch sports to see really talented people do things that most people can't. I think it is a stupid article and proposition because the likelihood of it happening is slight. Its pie in the sky logic that Bernstein is using and it just another way of him arguing that the only way you can win is by having Lebron James on your team. He has to find a way to always make it about Lebron James even when it isn't.

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I have a strong preference to win with our guys. That is what made the Blackhawks so entertaining is that Toews, Kane, Seabs, Keith were ours although one would argue Sharp and Hossa were not. But I think you get my point. It is the same reason I like the Cubs plan.
Isn't the Cubs plan to splurge on big name free agents once they feel they're ready to contend?

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Why is the personality of the athlete important anyway. I don't watch sports because I'm looking for the man of the year. I watch sports to see really talented people do things that most people can't. I think it is a stupid article and proposition because the likelihood of it happening is slight. Its pie in the sky logic that Bernstein is using and it just another way of him arguing that the only way you can win is by having Lebron James on your team. He has to find a way to always make it about Lebron James even when it isn't.


It's your opinion that personalities don't matter, and that's fine. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. People can get enjoyment for any reason they want, even if that reason is hatred.

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Is there any reason to actually read that, or can I guess as to the genius that lies within?

As far as the "converted fans" thing goes, it's old hat ... Dennis Rodman ... end of subject.

The only news in the article is Dan believes LeBron is more valuable than Thibs
Actually you could infer that he believes he's more valuable than Thibs and Melo/Love.

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Why is the personality of the athlete important anyway. I don't watch sports because I'm looking for the man of the year.
I prefer to root for people who seem to be good people or people I want to succeed. I don't know why that is crazy.

That doesn't mean I won't root for my team too even if it conflicts with that. I've enjoyed rooting for individual players on other teams a lot in the past 10 years. The whole concept of "root for the guys on your own team no matter what" is not a rule I feel is needed.

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why would lebron come to chicago and willingly invite all of the "he's not jordan" comparisons?
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Why is the personality of the athlete important anyway. I don't watch sports because I'm looking for the man of the year.
I prefer to root for people who seem to be good people or people I want to succeed. I don't know why that is crazy.

That doesn't mean I won't root for my team too even if it conflicts with that. I've enjoyed rooting for individual players on other teams a lot in the past 10 years. The whole concept of "root for the guys on your own team no matter what" is not a rule I feel is needed.


I've always said this. While I do root for teams in Chicago, it's really a weird concept. I'm rooting for teams owned by billionaires in which I have no affiliation. The only argument I could make is that, for a little while, my tax money may have helped subsidize their facilities. Other than that, they just happen to be teams that reside in Chicago and really have no affiliation or allegiance to the city or people. It actually makes much more sense to root for teams with guys you like. Again, I don't do that, but it's not at all a strange concept.

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(CBS) With all due respect to Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love, they’re small potatoes.
Both are All-Star-caliber players who would immediately alter the Bulls’ title trajectory, if not guarantee real contention. Anthony is the preternatural, instinctive scorer who at 30 wants to begin his career’s third act with new options, and Love the younger power forward with deep shooting range and rebounding skill who is pouting his way into a trade out of Minnesota.
Either would now be a fall-back option, worth the effort and money only after exhausting all possibilities to lure LeBron James to the Bulls.
Savvy businessmen understand that periods of market volatility are opportunities for skillful strikes, environments that favor the swiftest and smartest. This is just such a time. As James makes cryptic, guarded comments about his future, huddling with the handful of close advisors he refers to as his “team” as he mulls whether to exercise his contractual right to immediate free agency, there must be back-channel outreach to make clear intentions to pursue him.
Chances — even very slim ones — to acquire greatest-ever players in their prime almost never occur, and to not attempt to take full advantage would be small-minded and irresponsible. While taking great pains to adhere to the letter of the law regarding tampering, the message must be communicated now to James’s camp that Chicago would be an ideal landing spot for someone wanting to win.
Some certainties can be offered: Derrick Rose will be recovered from his latest knee injury and on the team, the franchise’s brand has a solid global footprint and the top-three market size is sufficient for James’s corporate partnership interests, as is the size of the fanbase in evidence from attendance and television viewership data.
Everything else is in question and open to negotiation. Salary cap clearance for an outright signing or pieces exchanged in a sign-and-trade scenario mean the personnel situation is fluid, and input would be required from him to determine the most favorable, competitive arrangement of components. James would be offered some responsibility in engineering the roster, within the byzantine league restrictions.
It’s possible that coach Tom Thibodeau is a drawing card, having established himself as an expert defensive tactician with the ability to maximize peripheral players. James could warm to the idea of working closely with someone who so clearly shares his focus on film work and opponent-specific game-planning.
It could also be the case, however, that James is aware of both his own heavy load of minutes at age 29 and Thibodeau’s relentless expenditure of top players in relatively insignificant regular-season games. He may also see him as a limited offensive mind, in a time that rewards creativity on that end of the floor. If James has any reservations about an alliance with Thibodeau that can’t be allayed with guarantees, John Paxson and Gar Forman must make the tough call and bring in his preferred coach.
That would be drastic — but necessary and correct if it meant landing the game’s most powerful individual force. Coaching matters indeed, but any assumed difference from replacement level at that position isn’t enough to stand in the way of something that instantly alters the balance of the NBA and guarantees multiple title shots.
There is no time for dawdling or dreaming or worrying about alternative scenarios.
All else can wait, as the message is sent in the shadows from a proud franchise with a case full of trophies to a megastar at a crossroads: Mountains can and will be moved for him.
The Bulls must be actively seeking an answer from LeBron James to the only question at the moment: “What will it take?”


If LeBron decides to opt-out of his current deal, is there really any doubt that most teams will seek an audience with him?


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Why is the personality of the athlete important anyway. I don't watch sports because I'm looking for the man of the year. I watch sports to see really talented people do things that most people can't. I think it is a stupid article and proposition because the likelihood of it happening is slight. Its pie in the sky logic that Bernstein is using and it just another way of him arguing that the only way you can win is by having Lebron James on your team. He has to find a way to always make it about Lebron James even when it isn't.


It's your opinion that personalities don't matter, and that's fine. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. People can get enjoyment for any reason they want, even if that reason is hatred.


So you are arguing that Lebron James shouldn't be a bull you get enjoyment from hating him? I have never pretended to know athletes and I don't think I am able to gauge into their inner soul because of interviews. I don't know if Lebron James is a douche or not and frankly I don't care. As a fan of sports I didn't like the decision because it displayed an unwillingness to compete. I watch sports because of the competitive aspect of it. If he leaves Miami it will display further evidence of an unwillingness to compete. Everyone is touting the Spurs as this model franchise and I am Spurs fan mostly because i think Duncan has always been sort of underrated. The Spurs last championship was Seven Years Ago. None of their core players bailed out because they hadn't won a championship lately. That says something about their competitive spirit. That would be of more concern to me if I was attempting to sign James

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That was a stupid article. Every team in the league is making a call to see if they have a chance to get LeBron. That being said I'm not firing Thibs for any player.

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Why is the personality of the athlete important anyway. I don't watch sports because I'm looking for the man of the year. I watch sports to see really talented people do things that most people can't. I think it is a stupid article and proposition because the likelihood of it happening is slight. Its pie in the sky logic that Bernstein is using and it just another way of him arguing that the only way you can win is by having Lebron James on your team. He has to find a way to always make it about Lebron James even when it isn't.


It's your opinion that personalities don't matter, and that's fine. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. People can get enjoyment for any reason they want, even if that reason is hatred.


So you are arguing that Lebron James shouldn't be a bull you get enjoyment from hating him? I have never pretended to know athletes and I don't think I am able to gauge into their inner soul because of interviews. I don't know if Lebron James is a douche or not and frankly I don't care. As a fan of sports I didn't like the decision because it displayed an unwillingness to compete. I watch sports because of the competitive aspect of it. If he leaves Miami it will display further evidence of an unwillingness to compete. Everyone is touting the Spurs as this model franchise and I am Spurs fan mostly because i think Duncan has always been sort of underrated. The Spurs last championship was Seven Years Ago. None of their core players bailed out because they hadn't won a championship lately. That says something about their competitive spirit. That would be of more concern to me if I was attempting to sign James


Correct. I get enjoyment out of hating Lebron James. To me, sports is a lot like "real" pro wrestling. I like the rivalries, the personalities, the hatred, and the side stories. Do I like the X's and O's? Yes... but it would be much more meaningful for me if a Bulls team won a title and beat Lebron to win it than it would for Lebron to come to Chicago and win one. Again, my main point is that it's a matter of personal preference. Dan Bernstein is the King of telling people why and how they should enjoy sports, which is ironic, because he doesn't even seem to enjoy sports.

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If you can't tell what Lebron is like as a person then you are either not paying attention or you aren't very smart.

Now, cue the "He's not a criminal!" response.

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LeBron could be Hitler 2.0 and I would support him as long as he helps my favorite basketball team win championships.

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If you can't tell what Lebron is like as a person then you are either not paying attention or you aren't very smart.

Now, cue the "He's not a criminal!" response.


He's a pretty good businessman and at 29 he is still growing as a person.

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Lauding athletes for their business acumen is something I'll never understand. It'd be like saying "and what makes Paul Westerberg really great is that he's an investor in a craft brewery."

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If you can't tell what Lebron is like as a person then you are either not paying attention or you aren't very smart.

Now, cue the "He's not a criminal!" response.


He's a pretty good businessman and at 29 he is still growing as a person.
I'm sure all the board meetings he runs are elite.

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If you can't tell what Lebron is like as a person then you are either not paying attention or you aren't very smart.

Now, cue the "He's not a criminal!" response.


He's a pretty good businessman and at 29 he is still growing as a person.
I'm sure all the board meetings he runs are elite.

He runs a ton of stuff.

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If you can't tell what Lebron is like as a person then you are either not paying attention or you aren't very smart.

Now, cue the "He's not a criminal!" response.


He's a pretty good businessman and at 29 he is still growing as a person.
I'm sure all the board meetings he runs are elite.


Do they have to be? Everyone says Jay-Z is a great businessman but whenever I hear him talk he struggles to put together a sentence. It hasn't hurt him or his brand. LeBron just made over $100M for wearing some headphones for a few years.

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Nas wrote:
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If you can't tell what Lebron is like as a person then you are either not paying attention or you aren't very smart.

Now, cue the "He's not a criminal!" response.


He's a pretty good businessman and at 29 he is still growing as a person.


I'm not sure he's a good businessman, but even if he is, why would that make me cheer for him in a basketball game? And at 29, you should be pretty fully developed mentally. There are 29-year-olds who run billion dollar companies.

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at 29 he is still growing as a person.


This is a weird thing to say about your best friend, let alone a world-famous athlete you've never met.

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he doesn't appear to be a horrible guy. I like to see him lose, but I don't hate him. conspiring with other free agents to all go to one team to win a championship is pretty shitty though. is that supposed to be some great achievement?

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at 29 he is still growing as a person.


This is a weird thing to say about your best friend, let alone a world-famous athlete you've never met.


I hope we are all continuing to grow. I would like to believe that I am a better man and father at 32 than I was at 29.

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Do they have to be? Everyone says Jay-Z is a great businessman but whenever I hear him talk he struggles to put together a sentence. It hasn't hurt him or his brand. LeBron just made over $100M for wearing some headphones for a few years.
Lebron is a good businessman because he has a lot of money already and he can profit off of his image. You really think if you named him the CEO of GM right now that he'd be successful?

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at 29 he is still growing as a person.


This is a weird thing to say about your best friend, let alone a world-famous athlete you've never met.


I hope we are all continuing to grow. I would like to believe that I am a better man and father at 32 than I was at 29.


Well, doesn't that render your point moot? If we all grow forever, then the fact that he is 29 and still growing is irrelevant.

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Do they have to be? Everyone says Jay-Z is a great businessman but whenever I hear him talk he struggles to put together a sentence. It hasn't hurt him or his brand. LeBron just made over $100M for wearing some headphones for a few years.
Lebron is a good businessman because he has a lot of money already and he can profit off of his image. You really think if you named him the CEO of GM right now that he'd be successful?


Could he do worse? I understand the point you're making but a lot of smart people struggle in the same roles.

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at 29 he is still growing as a person.


This is a weird thing to say about your best friend, let alone a world-famous athlete you've never met.


I hope we are all continuing to grow. I would like to believe that I am a better man and father at 32 than I was at 29.


Well, doesn't that render your point moot? If we all grow forever, then the fact that he is 29 and still growing is irrelevant.


Some of us don't want to. From a distance I can see the growth over the past 4 years.

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He's sports hateable. Drama requires villains. Everyone should consume sport however they see fit.


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Some of us don't want to. From a distance I can see the growth over the past 4 years.


How so? I'm genuinely curious.

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