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This wont happen, but I'd love to see the converted LeBron fans on this board if it did.

Well if there's anyone on the board who knows about forgetting allegiances and pledging fealty to something new it's you .

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What is he all about?
I've wasted too many characters on that topic. The search function works now. You can find my thoughts!

I knew it wouldn't be answered

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
This wont happen, but I'd love to see the converted LeBron fans on this board if it did.

Well if there's anyone on the board who knows about forgetting allegiances and pledging fealty to something new it's you .


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I think ultimately people on both sides of the Lebron debate take things way too seriously.


A few posts have gone by and I thought this was worth repeating.

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I'm not asking anyone to root for him or not. My issue is the labeling of the guy as a douchebag, tool, or idiot. I don't think he is any of these frankly. The question that I will ask is what makes him such because he has been called that during this thread.
The decision. The comments of "easiest target in sports". The "you have to go back to your lives". The "I may go back to Cleveland" garbage. "Not 1, not 2, not 3....". The quitting on his team in Cleveland. Saying his goal was to be a "global icon". Refusing to enter the dunk contest but also playing the games of pretending like he may. Pretty much every interview I've ever heard him give. The fact he gave himself the nickname "King James".

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The fact he gave himself the nickname "King James".



That's not accurate.

He is guilty of calling himself by said nickname, though. Which is very lame...

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I'm not asking anyone to root for him or not. My issue is the labeling of the guy as a douchebag, tool, or idiot. I don't think he is any of these frankly. The question that I will ask is what makes him such because he has been called that during this thread.
The decision. The comments of "easiest target in sports". The "you have to go back to your lives". The "I may go back to Cleveland" garbage. "Not 1, not 2, not 3....". The quitting on his team in Cleveland. Saying his goal was to be a "global icon". Refusing to enter the dunk contest but also playing the games of pretending like he may. Pretty much every interview I've ever heard him give. The fact he gave himself the nickname "King James".

You want more or can I stop wasting characters?


So you're saying he would be a great politician?

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Jesus Christ, I've long since gotten tired of Bernstein chastising reporters.

What keeps Bernstein himself from tweeting Cutler and demanding an answer? I mean, aside from not wanting to have the authorities called or being blocked on twitter or risking having any future access to the Bears in the future?

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
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The fact he gave himself the nickname "King James".



That's not accurate.

He is guilty of calling himself by said nickname, though. Which is very lame...
The story is that either he or his people were saying "King James" while he was a sophomore to media and others.

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I'm not asking anyone to root for him or not. My issue is the labeling of the guy as a douchebag, tool, or idiot. I don't think he is any of these frankly. The question that I will ask is what makes him such because he has been called that during this thread.
The decision. The comments of "easiest target in sports". The "you have to go back to your lives". The "I may go back to Cleveland" garbage. "Not 1, not 2, not 3....". The quitting on his team in Cleveland. Saying his goal was to be a "global icon". Refusing to enter the dunk contest but also playing the games of pretending like he may. Pretty much every interview I've ever heard him give. The fact he gave himself the nickname "King James".

You want more or can I stop wasting characters?

It's really hard to argue that Lebron isn't a douche, at least a little. Any of these instances, taken alone, can be dismissed as a young guy speaking before he thinks but when put together you start seeing a pattern. There's nothing that could convince me that a guy who does "The Decision" then follows that up with the big celebration is not a douche bag on some level.

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Don Tiny wrote:
Jesus Christ, I've long since gotten tired of Bernstein chastising reporters.

What keeps Bernstein himself from tweeting Cutler and demanding an answer? I mean, aside from not wanting to have the authorities called or being blocked on twitter or risking having any future access to the Bears in the future?

Because he is a gutless douchebag. :lol:


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you can tell dan is all pissy now.

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ZZ to DB: "Can I continue talking about football now?"



Bernstein getting the Sage Steele treatment.

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The decision was orchaestrated by ESPN and the celebration by the Miami Heat brass. Bosh and Wade both participated in it though he is the only one criticized. I have had issues with Lebron James being overrated as a basketball player. I have not gotten into the other stuff because it doesn't really interest me. I don't think he is a douche though. Public relations wise he has made mistakes along the way. The comment about go back to your miserable lives is an example. When I think of true douchebags I think of miserable day in day out jerks every time you see them on television they are having a bad day. He doesn't strike me as that guy.

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:lol: Good for him

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:lol: Dammit I am not going to shut up about it

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now we get the DB vaccine diatribe

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Jesus Christ, I've long since gotten tired of Bernstein chastising reporters.

What keeps Bernstein himself from tweeting Cutler and demanding an answer? I mean, aside from not wanting to have the authorities called or being blocked on twitter or risking having any future access to the Bears in the future?


This exactly

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Dan's a gutless little bitch. That's clearly on display today.

Again, all he has to do is tweet Jay ... or write an article as Senior Columnist ... or take a small ad out in the local paper (he's got the bread, and this is so important an issue, so money shouldn't really be an object).

This is the kind of thing that helps me opt to not regularly listen.

I literally turn the show on for the first time today and he's giving ZZ shit about how to do his job ... in a way Dan never dreamed of doing, I might add. Then he lectures everyone in the listening sphere for non-specific persons daring to question him.

I'm not the biggest ZZ detractor, but I'm also not his biggest fan either ... but by God, good for him for professionally putting Dan back on track on the air in real time.

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The decision was orchaestrated by ESPN and the celebration by the Miami Heat brass. Bosh and Wade both participated in it though he is the only one criticized. I have had issues with Lebron James being overrated as a basketball player. I have not gotten into the other stuff because it doesn't really interest me. I don't think he is a douche though. Public relations wise he has made mistakes along the way. The comment about go back to your miserable lives is an example. When I think of true douchebags I think of miserable day in day out jerks every time you see them on television they are having a bad day. He doesn't strike me as that guy.
It feels like I could cite 100 reasons why and you'd say "Everyone has bad days". Well, Donald Sterling had bad days too.

You got your answer. If you can explain away those reasons, and many other examples besides those that just came from the top of my head then go ahead.

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Dan's a gutless little bitch. That's clearly on display today.

Again, all he has to do is tweet Jay ... or write an article as Senior Columnist ... or take a small ad out in the local paper (he's got the bread, and this is so important an issue, so money shouldn't really be an object).

This is the kind of thing that helps me opt to not regularly listen.

I literally turn the show on for the first time today and he's giving ZZ shit about how to do his job ... in a way Dan never dreamed of doing, I might add. Then he lectures everyone in the listening sphere for non-specific persons daring to question him.

I'm not the biggest ZZ detractor, but I'm also not his biggest fan either ... but by God, good for him for professionally putting Dan back on track on the air in real time.

Hey fucknuts, if you care more about who is starting at LB than this issue then you are just stupid. :wink:

Dan should just get Mr. and Mrs. Cutler to do an interview on the show so he can do work.

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Dan's a gutless little bitch. That's clearly on display today.

Again, all he has to do is tweet Jay ... or write an article as Senior Columnist ... or take a small ad out in the local paper (he's got the bread, and this is so important an issue, so money shouldn't really be an object).

This is the kind of thing that helps me opt to not regularly listen.

I literally turn the show on for the first time today and he's giving ZZ shit about how to do his job ... in a way Dan never dreamed of doing, I might add. Then he lectures everyone in the listening sphere for non-specific persons daring to question him.

I'm not the biggest ZZ detractor, but I'm also not his biggest fan either ... but by God, good for him for professionally putting Dan back on track on the air in real time.

Hey fucknuts, if you care more about who is starting at LB than this issue then you are just stupid. :wink:

Dan should just get Mr. and Mrs. Cutler to do an interview on the show so he can do work.

And he can take her to task like he does when it's just him and Terry. Hi ho, journalistic integrity, awaaaayyyyyy!

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The decision was orchaestrated by ESPN and the celebration by the Miami Heat brass. Bosh and Wade both participated in it though he is the only one criticized. I have had issues with Lebron James being overrated as a basketball player. I have not gotten into the other stuff because it doesn't really interest me. I don't think he is a douche though. Public relations wise he has made mistakes along the way. The comment about go back to your miserable lives is an example. When I think of true douchebags I think of miserable day in day out jerks every time you see them on television they are having a bad day. He doesn't strike me as that guy.
It feels like I could cite 100 reasons why and you'd say "Everyone has bad days". Well, Donald Sterling had bad days too.

You got your answer. If you can explain away those reasons, and many other examples besides those that just came from the top of my head then go ahead.


Yikes! Hitler wasn't available for comparison?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The decision was orchaestrated by ESPN and the celebration by the Miami Heat brass. Bosh and Wade both participated in it though he is the only one criticized. I have had issues with Lebron James being overrated as a basketball player. I have not gotten into the other stuff because it doesn't really interest me. I don't think he is a douche though. Public relations wise he has made mistakes along the way. The comment about go back to your miserable lives is an example. When I think of true douchebags I think of miserable day in day out jerks every time you see them on television they are having a bad day. He doesn't strike me as that guy.
It feels like I could cite 100 reasons why and you'd say "Everyone has bad days". Well, Donald Sterling had bad days too.

You got your answer. If you can explain away those reasons, and many other examples besides those that just came from the top of my head then go ahead.


This whole thing is utterly stupid. Michael Jordan has probably been shown to be far more of a douche than Lebron James has ever been. And not all of it has come in the age of social media either. There were some things that he did during his playing career that were common knowledge and it still didn't prevent any of the moralist such as yourself from rooting for him If he played in a Bulls uniform today people in Chicago would still root for him. The comment comparing Lebron James to Donald Sterling is also stupid. It is what is known in the logic game as a false equivalency

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Michael Jordan loves women and it sounds like LeBron does too. Fortunately the media has moved on from these stories. If MJ tried to pickup a woman in the White House we wouldn't hear the end of it.

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I wouldn't doubt that there are a few here who could label Tim Duncan negatively, if they gave a moment's interest.

What strikes me about the past two columns by the Señor Columnist is that in two balky stabs he proves he really knows little about the game, and isn't really sure of his convictions. The Spurs won by playing a superior brand of team ball in a team sport. The Señor Columnist proclaims that the local team should be more like the champions. The next column has him running back to the other side of the yard, the game's greatest player is worth sacrificing any notion of team in order to acquire him. The irony of this is that the champions built their team with a conservative and steady approach, holding onto their own and acquiring talent that would fit them best. They go 7 years between championships with essentially a fixed core and the timely maturation of new additions.

The Bulls are built and operate in a similar fashion as the Spurs: an emphasis on the sum of their parts, a coaching emphasis on tenacious defense, and a blue collar ethic. Its why I laughed at the "Be Like The Spurs" column because in so many aspects that is exactly how the Bulls are trying to be. The latter column has a critical flaw so immense that it belies the author's basketball ignorance. Lebron James may be the best player in the game, but his presence on a team doesn't guarantee winning. James is beatable and has been beaten, again.

I forget the name of the long time "Monsters" listener who once expressed that "the Cubs don't have to get that much better, just let the division come back to them." The Bulls, as with most other teams in the eastern conference, don't have to get that much better, they just have to let the Heat inevitably slide back to them. It could easily be argued that said slide now has inertia, and it would be easier to add the final piece to what teams have been building towards as opposed to blowing it all up to get a player who's presence cannot guarantee a championship.

Finally, what makes Chicago so attractive? The list of what makes Chicago appealing by the Señor Columnist is woefully short, both in comparison to Miami as well as most other realistic suitors. The statue on the east side of the United Center is too big and too much to ignore, and would then put on James even more unrealistic expectations. Short of winning them all in his years here he'd still be considered a douchebag by some, possibly by even those who thought that of Jordan before the statue was erected.

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I know. I've been doing that a lot lately and not being able to grab a precise word in conversation. I hope something isn't wrong.

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I wouldn't doubt that there are a few here who could label Tim Duncan negatively, if they gave a moment's interest.

What strikes me about the past two columns by the Señor Columnist is that in two balky stabs he proves he really knows little about the game, and isn't really sure of his convictions. The Spurs won by playing a superior brand of team ball in a team sport. The Señor Columnist proclaims that the local team should be more like the champions. The next column has him running back to the other side of the yard, the game's greatest player is worth sacrificing any notion of team in order to acquire him. The irony of this is that the champions built their team with a conservative and steady approach, holding onto their own and acquiring talent that would fit them best. They go 7 years between championships with essentially a fixed core and the timely maturation of new additions.

The Bulls are built and operate in a similar fashion as the Spurs: an emphasis on the sum of their parts, a coaching emphasis on tenacious defense, and a blue collar ethic. Its why I laughed at the "Be Like The Spurs" column because in so many aspects that is exactly how the Bulls are trying to be. The latter column has a critical flaw so immense that it belies the author's basketball ignorance. Lebron James may be the best player in the game, but his presence on a team doesn't guarantee winning. James is beatable and has been beaten, again.

I forget the name of the long time "Monsters" listener who once expressed that "the Cubs don't have to get that much better, just let the division come back to them." The Bulls, as with most other teams in the eastern conference, don't have to get that much better, they just have to let the Heat inevitably slide back to them. It could easily be argued that said slide now has inertia, and it would be easier to add the final piece to what teams have been building towards as opposed to blowing it all up to get a player who's presence cannot guarantee a championship.

Finally, what makes Chicago so attractive? The list of what makes Chicago appealing by the Señor Columnist is woefully short, both in comparison to Miami as well as most other realistic suitors. The statue on the east side of the United Center is too big and too much to ignore, and would then put on James even more unrealistic expectations. Short of winning them all in his years here he'd still be considered a douchebag by some, possibly by even those who thought that of Jordan before the statue was erected.


IF the Bulls were healthy I don't believe the Heat would have won a championship.

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If you can't tell what Lebron is like as a person then you are either not paying attention or you aren't very smart.

Now, cue the "He's not a criminal!" response.

Won't cue the "HE's not a criminal! response but I will cue the "I'm glad that we gave you something to cheer for now you can go back to your miserable life response". I am not the biggest Lebron James fan but other than leave Cleveland which he had a right to and make a few public relations mistakes what has he really done. There are far more idiots in sports than he is.


No doubt but he has done enough to earn dislike and not just envy.

No one has mentioned his lame ass group humor against Nowitzki which, when analyzed, is really just part of the larger "woe is me, everyone hates Lebron" attitude

or his fake smart boy glasses.

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