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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:36 am 
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Nevermind the fact that I had been sitting in the same spot for 20 minutes because the pedestrians refuse to follow protocol and use the traffic lights.

This is a tad hyperbolic. Or you were driving through the Taste of Chicago.


A few weeks ago I was stopped at the light going eastbound on South Blvd. at Chicago Avenue. I was over to the left and a guy in car pulled up on my left putting me in very tight quarters. He had his windows open and he asked me to move over so he could turn right. I told him it was no right turn on red and pointed out the sign. And he said, "When pedestrians are present". And I replied, "If I do what you're asking, I'll be a pedestrian, won't I?" Then the light turned green. Jesus Christ! Where the fuck are you going? Big hurry to get home and turn on your gigantic television. God forbid you should miss the first few minutes of Duck Dynasty.

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Nevermind the fact that I had been sitting in the same spot for 20 minutes because the pedestrians refuse to follow protocol and use the traffic lights.

This is a tad hyperbolic. Or you were driving through the Taste of Chicago.


Of course it's hyperbolic. This entire site is one big example of hyperbole.

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Nevermind the fact that I had been sitting in the same spot for 20 minutes because the pedestrians refuse to follow protocol and use the traffic lights.

This is a tad hyperbolic. Or you were driving through the Taste of Chicago.


Of course it's hyperbolic. This entire site is one big example of hyperbole.

Not the entire site.

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oh sam... always trying to be clever...

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I was a messenger for a long time. I now drive a motorized vehicle for a living. Ergo, I think I can see both sides of this rather clearly.

Basically, it comes down to don't be a fucking asshole regardless of what type of vehicle you drive. I will say that, on the whole... I have observed drivers of SUVs doing the worst types of behaviors, with probably the most deadly results. That's really the difference right there... I do something stupid on a bike, mostly as a car you may get annoyed. I do something stupid in a car, I may kill you. Ironically, most people buy those types of vehicles because they are "safe".

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Remember, JORR... A lot of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road. They don't signal and don't pay attention, and it's frustrating because they expect me to look out for their well being when they don't.


"Share the road" doesn't mean cyclists can do whatever they want.

I hate when they ride side by side, instead of single file. Everyday, I see a group of cyclists, in full uniforms, riding down Mack Rd. in Warrenville, side by side. It is a two lane road, and if there is traffic in the other lane, and you can't pass, you have to drive at 20 mph for a long stretch of road.


If you give them a polite toot of the horn to move over so a car can pass, do they move over or ignore it and/or get indignant?

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Oh yeah... the worst is these assholes who look at you and purposely walk slower as if to say "I'll walk however fast I want."


I assume that when someone does that it's because they have so little control over their own lives that that juvenile display allows them to have control over someone else's life, if only for a few fleeting moments.


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You're right Tad. In fact, my wife who is a psychologist works in some depressed neighborhoods, and the whole walking slow phenomenon is in fact a mechanism used to display their power over those who own vehicles. I get that... I just don't get the entitled assholes living on Michigan Ave who also do it.

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Is it legal to skateboard or rollerblade in a traffic lane?


No.
That seems unfair. If you can ride your bike down the center of the lane why can't I strap on some rollerblades and do the same?

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Is it legal to skateboard or rollerblade in a traffic lane?


No.
That seems unfair. If you can ride your bike down the center of the lane why can't I strap on some rollerblades and do the same?


You can do that only if you're wearing tight jeans shorts while listening to Sheryl Crow on your Walkman.

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You can do that only if you're wearing tight jeans shorts while listening to Sheryl Crow on your Walkman.
I'd still look less ridiculous than amateur Tour De France guy. No offense intended Man Of Few Opinions. I'm sure you pull the look off.

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Id say its about 98% of the cyclists Ive seen go right thru red lights


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You can do that only if you're wearing tight jeans shorts while listening to Sheryl Crow on your Walkman.
I'd still look less ridiculous than amateur Tour De France guy. No offense intended Man Of Few Opinions. I'm sure you pull the look off.


truth be told, i haven't ridden a bike on the open road in many years and have never worn cycling gear of any kind. the closest i get is taking a bike ride around the neighborhood with the kids a couple times a summer. as a matter of fact, i probably get as pissed off as anyone seeing packs of those guys taking up half the road out here where i live.

the tour does start next weekend though, Vive la France!


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Is it legal to skateboard or rollerblade in a traffic lane?


No.
That seems unfair. If you can ride your bike down the center of the lane why can't I strap on some rollerblades and do the same?


You're still considered a pedestrian even with your skates on. That being the case, you are free to strap them on and swing your arms while rolling down the sidewalk screaming "ON YOUR LEFT!" like a complete douchebag.

The truth is I can go faster on my bike in rush hour than you can in a car. It's your perception that's wrong. The speed limit is thirty although most motorists want to go 50. I can go between 15 and 20 on my bike. I'll catch you at every light and if you get behind a guy turning left, I'll pass you again. Most people are more disturbed by the concept of bikes on the road rather than any real impact they have on traffic. We have a car culture. But let's not act like the assholes behind the wheel are clinging to the rules of the road.

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You're still considered a pedestrian even with your skates on. That being the case, you are free to strap them on and swing your arms while rolling down the sidewalk screaming "ON YOUR LEFT!" like a complete douchebag.
I know what the legal consideration is, but that still doesn't mean it makes sense. Is it the act of sitting that somehow changes it?
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The truth is I can go faster on my bike in rush hour than you can in a car. It's your perception that's wrong. The speed limit is thirty although most motorists want to go 50. I can go between 15 and 20 on my bike. I'll catch you at every light and if you get behind a guy turning left, I'll pass you again. Most people are more disturbed by the concept of bikes on the road rather than any real impact they have on traffic. We have a car culture. But let's not act like the assholes behind the wheel are clinging to the rules of the road.
I don't think they have a major impact on traffic. They are just an annoyance and a danger. In college, I was about 4 miles off campus in an area that was fairly undeveloped but had a few big apartment complexes. I was leaving it to turn onto a four lane road with a median in between. I was turning right so I spent almost all of my time looking left since it was highly unlikely someone was driving down the wrong side of the road. As I inched forward looking left, I stop and a guy on a bike coming from the opposite direction(against traffic) zips in front of my car, hits my car with his hand, and yells that I need to pay more attention.

Now, I don't know who actually would have been at fault there. It may very well have been me especially since pretty much all laws seem to be written as the guy in the car is wrong. However, I almost injured someone, and I'm sure there would have been litigation, and it all would have been because I didn't see a biker coming directly at me on the shoulder of a road with a median in the middle. I could have been facing involuntary manslaughter if things went poorly. My life, and his, could have been severely altered because some guy wants to sit on a few hundred dollars of metal and plastic and he can't compete with the size of the primary reason the road even exists.

I'm less concerned about the fact that people on bikes can be annoying when you see them and have to slow down. I'm more concerned how I could get in pretty serious trouble for a simple mistake or even if I don't get in trouble I have to live with the guilt for the rest of my life that I injured another person. Hopefully with all these cities putting in bike paths and dedicated bike lanes we can finally make it illegal to ride a bike with cars.

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I know what the legal consideration is, but that still doesn't mean it makes sense. Is it the act of sitting that somehow changes it?


Do you consider skates a "vehicle"?

The truth is probably the fact that bicycles became popular at the end of the 19th Century, just before cars. and they staked out their place on the roads then, whereas skates are considered a toy. In spite of the way it often looks, we're a very conservative country. Horses haven't been critical to our culture for 100 years but traditions make eating them abhorrent to most Americans.

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I don't think they have a major impact on traffic. They are just an annoyance and a danger. In college, I was about 4 miles off campus in an area that was fairly undeveloped but had a few big apartment complexes. I was leaving it to turn onto a four lane road with a median in between. I was turning right so I spent almost all of my time looking left since it was highly unlikely someone was driving down the wrong side of the road. As I inched forward looking left, I stop and a guy on a bike coming from the opposite direction(against traffic) zips in front of my car, hits my car with his hand, and yells that I need to pay more attention.

Now, I don't know who actually would have been at fault there. It may very well have been me especially since pretty much all laws seem to be written as the guy in the car is wrong. However, I almost injured someone, and I'm sure there would have been litigation, and it all would have been because I didn't see a biker coming directly at me on the shoulder of a road with a median in the middle. I could have been facing involuntary manslaughter if things went poorly. My life, and his, could have been severely altered because some guy wants to sit on a few hundred dollars of metal and plastic and he can't compete with the size of the primary reason the road even exists.

I'm less concerned about the fact that people on bikes can be annoying when you see them and have to slow down. I'm more concerned how I could get in pretty serious trouble for a simple mistake or even if I don't get in trouble I have to live with the guilt for the rest of my life that I injured another person. Hopefully with all these cities putting in bike paths and dedicated bike lanes we can finally make it illegal to ride a bike with cars.


That's an interesting story but it has nothing to do with a bicycle, but rather with some goof going the wrong way. And the only one that was in actual danger was him, not you. People drive cars the wrong way all the time and often kill people. Why not outlaw cars?

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One area bikers need to improve is respect of the "stop for pedstrians" cross walks. Bicyclists ignore these and I almost got smoked by one on Halsted a month ago.


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One area bikers need to improve is respect of the "stop for pedstrians" cross walks. Bicyclists ignore these and I almost got smoked by one on Halsted a month ago.


I can see pedestrians complaining about cyclists being dangerous, but it seems kind of silly for a guy in a car to complain about it. In most two car accidents, both parties have done something wrong. Nobody practices S.P.I.D.E. and everyone tailgates like douchebags.

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One area bikers need to improve is respect of the "stop for pedstrians" cross walks. Bicyclists ignore these and I almost got smoked by one on Halsted a month ago.


I can see pedestrians complaining about cyclists being dangerous, but it seems kind of silly for a guy in a car to complain about it. In most two car accidents, both parties have done something wrong. Nobody practices S.P.I.D.E. and everyone tailgates like douchebags.

Yea, I definitely see your point of view. In college I bicycled pretty much everywhere as IU has a huge bike culture with the 500. I loved the convenience. But a sleepy college town makes bicycling convenient for everyone.

Like BRick, bicyclists in bustling areas cause me to become so urpy. A tiny mistake on either side likely causes serious injury. Bikes are a good thing. But for bikes and cars to coexist I think the only way would be for separate bike paths to be built. Cars are just too ingrained.


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Do you consider skates a "vehicle"?
The definition really doesn't make much of a difference. If it's too dangerous to rollerblade somewhere how is it not too dangerous to ride a bike? It's even more blurred when we are discussing skateboards.
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That's an interesting story but it has nothing to do with a bicycle, but rather with some goof going the wrong way. And the only one that was in actual danger was him, not you.
I was in danger too. I was almost certainly going to survive the potential accident but injuring or killing another human being would not have worked out well for me.

It's the same problem I have with motorcycles. I do my best when driving to not make a mistake and cause an accident. However, bikes and motorcycles raise the stakes of even minor mistakes at a level much higher than your average car.

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If you do that, you will likely never get in an accident. Sure, there may be a freakish case when something is absolutely unavoidable, but most of us will never see that situation. Most "accidents" are easily avoidable if you aren't being a jerk yourself.

The biggest thing is the tailgating. Almost nobody allows the proper amount of space. If I'm going 60 I try to leave six car lengths, but it's nearly impossible to maintain since some douche will be dropping into that space constantly.

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I was in danger too. I was almost certainly going to survive the potential accident but injuring or killing another human being would not have worked out well for me.


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I picture my life and my whole family's lives getting fucked-up because this bicyclist decided to think he was a car. Anything can happen, and when it happens to a dude on a bike, its probably gonna be pretty serious. Even if you were doing everything right, and you don't suffer any financial or liberal liabilities, you might at the very least see some shit that will haunt you for the rest of your life. Shit, guy could just fall or blow a tire and its lights out.

I know a guy who accidentally hit and killed a guy on his bike, and the effects are pretty fucked-up.


Just this morning I was making a proper left turn and there was an asshole in a giant SUV coming at me. I had plenty of room to safely make my left even though the guy was going about twenty over the posted limit of 20 mph. He honked his horn at me like a jerkoff. I suppose he felt the imminent danger I posed to him on my Trek 820. I'm sure the tattered remains of his shattered life after he flattened me like a pancake were flashing before his eyes. But all he could manage to do was blow his fucking horn. It never occurred to him to slow down or to be able to stop.

Which gets into the topic of blowing the horn. It wasn't a warning. We clearly both saw each other. He was doing it out of frustration at seeing me on my legal bicycle making a perfectly legal left turn on a green light and doing nothing at all to bother him. I don't whip by pedestrians on a path screaming "ON YOUR LEFT!!!!!" And I don't expect some asshole to honk at me on the road. These things are part and parcel of our "Hooray for me, the hell with you" culture. Honking or screaming "On your left" are no different than yelling "Fuck you! Get out of my way!" Keep your goddamn vehicle under control.

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I passed a group of about 10 bicyclists roughly a 1/2 mile from an intersection that had stop signs going north/south and the east/west traffic had none. I was turning right. I waited for a couple cars to get through the intersection and proceeded to turn right. This pack of bicyclists were going straight and mother fucked me for making my turn. Fuck you!!!! You have to stop at the stop sign too mother fuckers.

I am always respectful of cyclists but get so pissed when they ignore the rules of the road. They have to obey the same rules of the road, signs, and signals that apply to motorists.

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I passed a group of about 10 bicyclists roughly a 1/2 mile from an intersection that had stop signs going north/south and the east/west traffic had none. I was turning right. I waited for a couple cars to get through the intersection and proceeded to turn right. This pack of bicyclists were going straight and mother fucked me for making my turn. Fuck you!!!! You have to stop at the stop sign too mother fuckers.

I am always respectful of cyclists but get so pissed when they ignore the rules of the road. They have to obey the same rules of the road, signs, and signals that apply to motorists.


That's another thing that really bugs me about these guys. They're all hard asses and MF'ing everybody when they're in a group. I doubt they're quite that aggressive when they're by themselves.


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I passed a group of about 10 bicyclists roughly a 1/2 mile from an intersection that had stop signs going north/south and the east/west traffic had none. I was turning right. I waited for a couple cars to get through the intersection and proceeded to turn right. This pack of bicyclists were going straight and mother fucked me for making my turn. Fuck you!!!! You have to stop at the stop sign too mother fuckers.

I am always respectful of cyclists but get so pissed when they ignore the rules of the road. They have to obey the same rules of the road, signs, and signals that apply to motorists.


That's another thing that really bugs me about these guys. They're all hard asses and MF'ing everybody when they're in a group. I doubt they're quite that aggressive when they're by themselves.



I saw a guy on the North Shore Channel path spit at a guy in a car at the Howard St. intersection yesterday. He was by himself. The guy in the next car admonished the cyclist to "grow up". I didn't see what happened, but my guess would be that the guy in the car did something dangerous.

The problem is the people, not what type of vehicle they happen to be riding or driving at a given time. Honking your horn or screaming "ON YOUR LEFT!!!!!" is usually just a different way of saying "You're in my way. Move now, motherfucker!" You're responsible for being able to stop your own vehicle, whether it's a car or a bike.

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CHICAGO (CBS) — A female bike rider who said she was verbally abused by an apparently inebriated middle-age man out with his wife and young son in Wicker Park has written an open letter on Craigslist to vent her anger over the ugly altercation.
The note is addressed to: “Stranger outside Big Star who told me you hoped I would die on my bike.”
The woman, who described herself as a “diminutive girl with light purple bike, grey helmet” said she shouted at the man, who was standing with a group in the clearly marked bike lane outside the restaurant on North Damen, to step onto the sidewalk.
She said she was jeered by the group, so she stopped and turned around to tell them to finish their conversation on the sidewalk so other bikers wouldn’t have to swerve around them or, even worse, hitting them.
“I said please and thank you. I called you sir,” she wrote. “You called me an ‘entitled bitch’ and told me the world would be a better place without me and people like me.
“Your friends laughed while tears of shame and anger burned in my eyes.
“Your wife smiled and shrugged when you told me you hoped I got hit by a semi and splattered all over the street.
“Your child looked at me with big, round, curious eyes, and began the lifelong process of learning how to treat other humans like garbage.”
She then said that she wished the man woke up in the morning and saw himself the way she did the night before, a father and husband with “brazen lack of empathy.”
“I hope your son clings to your leg, rubbing the sleep from his eyes, and begs you to give him a horsey ride even though now he is getting too big. I hope that you feel a pang of regret, even just a twinge, thinking about his bearing silent witness to your verbal abuse of a stranger.”
The note has sparked a spirited conversation on Reddit, with comments taking both sides.
“That girl is an obnoxious, sensitive, judgmental little bitch and I’m glad she got told off,” one commenter said. “The way she elevates herself in her writing reeks of self-righteousness and inflated self-importance. She started crying because of the words of a stranger? How pathetic.”
Others came to her defense.
“Maybe she shouldn’t have taken it to heart as much as she seems to, but I think a lot of you are missing the point: because she asked to be able to use the right-of-way in the manner that she is legally entitled to, some schmuck wished her dead in front of his laughing buddies, smiling wife, and impressionable young son.
“That’s multiple people who seemingly have no problem with outward and unprovoked cruelty to someone else, and a young child who is slowly learning that treating people like dirt is rewarded with high fives and laughter.
“Whether or not she should get thicker skin, it’s attitudes and wanton cruelty like that make dealing with people in this city such an unbearable fucking chore, sometimes.”

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