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So this would seem to say Lebron will take less than a max deal if Riley is able to build up the rest of the roster

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So this would seem to say Lebron will take less than a max deal if Riley is able to build up the rest of the roster

Riley won't have enough cash left to do much though right? All things being equal they're going to get pantsed in the Finals again by SA without significant upgrades.

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:lol: my gosh is Bosh a weird looking dude


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LeBron James does not want to take the pressure off Pat Riley and Miami Heat management — not this summer, not when it’s over. However, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade are making the sacrifices to both give LeBron his cash and give Heat president Pat Riley room to maneuver.

We knew LeBron, Bosh and Wade presented their plans to Riley, providing a financial framework of what he would have to spend.

Now we have an idea what that is that is, thanks to John Canzano of the Oregonian.

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Chris Bosh’s 5-year deal with Miami expected to start at $11 million in year 1. Dwyane Wade will sign four years, $12 million in year 1


That’s some big per-year sacrifices from Wade and Bosh, both of whom could have made $10 million more a year for the next two years (but do get more guaranteed money in the long run). Zach Lowe of Grantland said he heard flopped numbers — Wade $12 million to start, Bosh $10 million to start — but it seems in the same ballpark.

If this report is accurate what does that mean for Riley? What can he spend?

He has $12,918,609 in cap room below the projected cap of $63.2 million to spend, according to PBT’s own Dan Feldman who ran the numbers.

That accounts for LeBron at his max ($20.7 million, although he may take a little less), Wade at $12 million, Bosh at $11 million, Norris Cole who is on the books already, the rookie contract for Shabazz Napier and seven minimum-salary cap holds.

Riley could use all or almost all of that to go after one big player — Kyle Lowry or Luol Deng, although neither is willing to take a discout to come to South Beach — or he could divide it up into two or three players at and try and fill a few needs with quality players. After using up that cap space Miami would still have a $2,732,000 exception, which could be useful for Udonis Haslem (it can only be a two-year deal but Haslem isn’t playing longer than that anyway). After that it is all minimum contracts.

The ball is in Pat Riley’s court — he got a healthy chunk of cap space thanks to player sacrifices. Now he has to do something with it.

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They aint winning shit with those players . Luol Deng the difference maker? :lol:

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Lowry resigns with Raptors. Plan dead.


They didn't have enough to offer.

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For all the "Lebron had no help in Miami", Bosh just got a max contract offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187137/chris-bosh-seriously-considering-houston-rockets-max-four-year-96-million-contract-offer

He sucks though?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
For all the "Lebron had no help in Miami", Bosh just got a max contract offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187137/chris-bosh-seriously-considering-houston-rockets-max-four-year-96-million-contract-offer

He sucks though?

Ben Gordon got a max deal, didnt he?


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Granger to Heat. $4.2M/2.


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Granger to Heat. $4.2M/2.

That would be great if this was 2011

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
For all the "Lebron had no help in Miami", Bosh just got a max contract offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187137/chris-bosh-seriously-considering-houston-rockets-max-four-year-96-million-contract-offer

He sucks though?

He's a useful player but that's an atrocious offer and is not indicative of Bosh being a franchise guy.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
For all the "Lebron had no help in Miami", Bosh just got a max contract offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187137/chris-bosh-seriously-considering-houston-rockets-max-four-year-96-million-contract-offer

He sucks though?

He's a useful player but that's an atrocious offer and is not indicative of Bosh being a franchise guy.
How does Bosh not take that offer? Miami can't come close to that (nor should they) right? He's turning into a 7ft 3 point shooter anyway. Take that obscene amount for your skill set and run.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
For all the "Lebron had no help in Miami", Bosh just got a max contract offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187137/chris-bosh-seriously-considering-houston-rockets-max-four-year-96-million-contract-offer

He sucks though?

He's a useful player but that's an atrocious offer and is not indicative of Bosh being a franchise guy.
He's a very good player and likely a hall of fame player who just got offered a max deal.

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He wasn't as good as Wade and LeBron to begin with and now his skills are clearly in decline.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
For all the "Lebron had no help in Miami", Bosh just got a max contract offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187137/chris-bosh-seriously-considering-houston-rockets-max-four-year-96-million-contract-offer

He sucks though?

He's a useful player but that's an atrocious offer and is not indicative of Bosh being a franchise guy.
He's a very good player and likely a hall of fame player who just got offered a max deal.

Bosh is not a hall of famer.

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Bosh is not a hall of famer.
All numbers point to him making it as long as he doesn't retire or turn into a useless player.

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Bosh is not a hall of famer.
All numbers point to him making it as long as he doesn't retire or turn into a useless player.

He's Carlos Boozer that can shoot threes.

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Bosh is not a hall of famer.
All numbers point to him making it as long as he doesn't retire or turn into a useless player.

He's Carlos Boozer that can shoot threes.

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How does Bosh not take that offer? Miami can't come close to that (nor should they) right? He's turning into a 7ft 3 point shooter anyway. Take that obscene amount for your skill set and run.



He is a fucking moron if he doesn't tell Miami bye I am not waiting around.

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For all the "Lebron had no help in Miami", Bosh just got a max contract offer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187137/chris-bosh-seriously-considering-houston-rockets-max-four-year-96-million-contract-offer

He sucks though?

He's a useful player but that's an atrocious offer and is not indicative of Bosh being a franchise guy.
He's a very good player and likely a hall of fame player who just got offered a max deal.

Very good to me means top 5-6 at your position. There's nothing really to support the notion that Bosh is a very good player.

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Very good to me means top 5-6 at your position. There's nothing really to support the notion that Bosh is a very good player.
Well, Houston and Miami both seem to want him very much. Houston just offered him a max contract.

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Very good to me means top 5-6 at your position. There's nothing really to support the notion that Bosh is a very good player.
Well, Houston and Miami both seem to want him very much. Houston just offered him a max contract.

:lol: I know. I get it. Bosh got offered a big contract. And that means he's a very good player still.

How would you rank him among active PFs right now going into next season?

Definitely better than Bosh:
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Anthony Davis
Zach Randolph

I would also take Serge Ibaka, David West, Tim Duncan, and Taj Gibson before Bosh. I'm probably forgetting a couple names. He's maybe the 10th best PF in the league right now and declining.

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I think it's hard to accurately gauge him based on how much of the offense was dominated by Lebron and Wade.

However, it's pretty clear that Houston doesn't think he is as bad as many others do.

I don't watch enough NBA to rank Bosh vs. David West so I'll pass.

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So you basically have no idea/opinion if he's any good?

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So you basically have no idea/opinion if he's any good?
I'm not going to break down if he is better or worse than David West. I know where I am deficient in sports knowledge and pretty much any non-Bulls/Knicks/Heat is where I am.

My point was that I don't think Bosh sucks, and neither does Houston, and neither does Miami. It's about the idea that Lebron had no help and was a one man team even though he was playing with 3-4 future hall of famers.

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So you basically have no idea/opinion if he's any good?
I'm not going to break down if he is better or worse than David West. I know where I am deficient in sports knowledge and pretty much any non-Bulls/Knicks/Heat is where I am.

My point was that I don't think Bosh sucks, and neither does Houston, and neither does Miami. It's about the idea that Lebron had no help and was a one man team even though he was playing with 3-4 future hall of famers.

If Bosh is your third best player you might be ok. If he's your second best player you're not winning a title. There is a lot of truth to the notion that LeBron didn't have a lot of help this past year, but fuck him because he hand picked his team.

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