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Irish Boy

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Whether you like the man as a human being or not, O.J. Simpson is one of the top three running backs of all time. He put up huge numbers for a team that had absolutely no passing game, where opposing teams felt content to leave only their corners on the edges and put nine defenders in the box. No running back could do that today. In my mind, it goes:

Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
O.J. Simpson
Walter Payton
Marshall Faulk

with Eric Dickerson and Emmitt Smith just on the outside.

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Statistically, LT is on pace to match or beat most other RB's in history. I can't argue with that. I think when you are talking about how they dominated their era. That is why I think LT has to do it for a few more years. There are other RB's in the past 10 years that have dominated for a few years. LT's first dominant season was last year. Before that, Larry Johnson/Priest Holmes were right there. Alexander may have also been put on the list.

I think LT takes the spot and he isn't too far away, but if he has 15 td's this year and never has over 20 td's in a season again, is he still the best RB of all time?

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What about Marshall Faulk or Curtis Martin? I'm interested and it sounds like you have a good site where you are pulling this information from.

I also think that Larry Johnson's last two seasons match up favorably to LT's but over the last 5 years LT is the best. I just think to be the best ever, length of domination has to come into play. It will happen to LT, and if he matches last season, then he probably already is.

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:34 pm

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Irish Boy wrote:

In my mind, it goes:

Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
O.J. Simpson
Walter Payton
Marshall Faulk

with Eric Dickerson and Emmitt Smith just on the outside.

No Ickey Woods in your list, Irish Boy???

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You guys are forgetting Squirmin Thurman Thomas. 5 consecutive 1200+ yard seasons, inculded in 8 consecutive over 1000. 12k total yards is comparable to Mashall Faulk. Plus he was in four superbowls. This guy is in the elite.

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Darkside wrote:

Thurman Thomas . . . God love him. Did you know he is the ONLY RB in NFL history to achieve five consecutive seasons of 1,000+ yards AND have gone to FOUR SuperBowls without having won one??

I really do love him, but he's no James Brooks.

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:05 pm

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Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Faulk was consistent more than anything else. He never had any huge rushing seasons(1382 in 2001)like the other guys. He had a lot of huge receiving seasons(417 receptions and 4088 yards). The year 2000 was his biggest touchdown season. He had 26 rushing and receiving touchdowns that year(136 for his career).

Curtis Martin has 14101 yards for his career but he really didn't put up monster numbers in any season. He was sort of inconsistent to a certain extent. He would gain nearly 1500 yards in a season but only gain 1100 or 1000 the following year and he only has 100 total touchdowns for his entire 11 year career. Faulk was the better overall running back. 2004 was Martin's biggest rushing year. He gained 1697 yards but only had 14 touchdowns(rushing and receiving). The year before that he gained 1308 yards but only had 2 total touchdowns.

Nas, where the hell DO you get your 411?

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Well, what is obvious is that with any type of good season this year, LT is the best RB of this decade. All time greats in any sport(besides the NBA) are always up for debate.

We almost totally agree on something Nas! I can officially retire from the board.

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I harp on alot about Pro Football Prospectus, but if you've never read their stuff before, I suggest you go out and pick up the PFP 2007 today. As luck would have it, the 2007 edition takes a look at the 100 top running back seasons of all time. The methodology they use is comparing individual seasons to the other backs in the rest of the league, so in down years (or eras) putting up large numbers is worth more than in inflated eras. Barry Sanders has two seasons in the top ten, Simpson, Earl Campbell, Thurnmon Thomas, Leroy Kelly, Terrell Davis, Jim Brown, and Larry Csonka round out the top ten. Fascinating reading (it's a 500 page book, and I blew through it in a weekend.), I definitely recommend picking one up.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

LT is the best RB of this decade.

The decade's not over. The early line in Vegas is that Rudi Johnson will end up being the best of the 2000's.

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Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

We almost totally agree on something Nas! I can officially retire from the board.

We've agreed on things in the past. Grossman is the only thing we will probably never agree on.

I think that one way or another, by halfway through the season we will. I hope he is the starter the whole season and that he earns it.

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Nas wrote:

By the end of the season I was an idiot

Hardly.

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Nas wrote:

By the end of the season I was an idiot

Hardly.

Yeah, don't sell yourself short. You were an idiot way before the end of last season. :wink:

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Ready? Go.

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The way hes starting the season this could be a long thread

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One less member of the Rex Grossman Defenders Club....

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Killer V

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Just read a decent article by Don Banks at SI.com

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/09/21/snap.judgments.bears/index.html

These sentences summed up my weakening Grossman support (especially after he said he was "pressing"):

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Against the Chiefs, Grossman threw two ugly picks -- one was a screen pass that went directly to linebacker Napoleon Harris, on the other he never saw linebacker Donnie Edwards in coverage -- and only had one completion for more than 11 yards. This was not Grossman making mistakes of being over aggressive downfield. This was Grossman committing miscues on even the most fundamental of throws.

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I just read this article also... My only thought is if Rex was to be replaced this year I'd prefer Orton is given a shot and Griese remains the back-up.

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Line up and toss some dirt on the mound. Rex's days of being the Bears QB may well be dead and buried. :cry:

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I ashamed of myself, I really tried to give Grossman the benefit of the doubt, but I give up, he sucks. Collinsworth made a nice point, if Grossman first receiver is not open, he is lost.

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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:51 pm

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enigma wrote:

Collinsworth made a nice point, if Grossman first receiver is not open, he is lost.

Spot on.

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WestmontMike

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NSJ wrote:

enigma wrote:

Collinsworth made a nice point, if Grossman first receiver is not open, he is lost.

Spot on.

I disagree...he's lost when he walks up behind the center.

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By first receiver you guys mean Berrian right?

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By first receiver you guys mean Berrian right?

Good point. They dont even look at anyone else. Moose is the most overpaid guy on the planet right now.

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The worst part is that he stares that first receiver down the whole way.

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MattInTheCrown wrote:

The worst part is that he stares that first receiver down the whole way.

No way! I dont believe you. I have never heard that criticism before of Rex.

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Woodridge Ryan

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:46 am

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Hey Rex. F u.

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Nas wrote:

If the season is done I would rather see Orton.

No fucking way the season is done. 3 weeks in. If the Bears go 11-5 and win the division, I wont expect it, but I also wont be surprised.

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Nas wrote:

If the season is done I would rather see Orton.

If this season is salvagable, it's Griese time. That team has quit on Grossman, and now it seems that even he knows it. The worst part is that the kid doesn't seem to have the fight or stones to try to turn it around.

But then again, this is the same kid who lost playing time his final year at Florida.

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