And I love that you and JORR feel the need to play "thought police" about optimism for a sports team. As though enjoying and feeling excited/optimistic about a sports team is the worst thing of all time... Something only an idiot would do. Anytime someone says something positive, you guys jump all over it ripping that thought apart. It's odd that you guys aren't able to let anything positive about the Cubs be posted to the board.

I won't speak for JORR, but I don't have a problem with optimism. I think the Cubs have reasons to be hopeful for the future. However, many Cubs fans seem to go past the point of optimism to the point where they think success is pretty much inevitable.

It doesn't usually come off as optimism though. It's more like arrogance.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I think it's arrogant to say that losing ~100 games a year while attendance plummets and television rights dwindle down to negative value will naturally and inevitably lead to sustained dominance.

It doesn't usually come off as optimism though. It's more like arrogance.

And actually, I'm not even optimistic they will have "sustained dominance." I just think they are going to be competing for a long time.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Close to 400 losses in four years, I'd like to do a little better than 85 wins. Paying out the ass for Jason Marquis got us 85 wins.

How you could take anything from a Cub fan as arrogance is beyond me.


It would be like calling a Clippers fan arrogant.

I am not sure when the "arrogance" started regarding the inevitability of Cubs prospects versus others. Maybe when sports radio and all the talk was too much and I noticed. I seem to feel it was the Patterson, Keyshnik, Pie, Choy time frame.

It's not just the Cubs. Don't be a Rozner making shit up

But that's exactly the point. A Clippers fan would never be dumb enough to accuse a Mavericks fan of being jealous. But somehow the Cub fan thinks his team- and by extension himself- is superior to the White Sox. I even heard Epstein himself talk about the Cubs' "rightful place" as if they are somehow a superior franchise that deserves to be looked at differently than the Cleveland Indians.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Besides Thomas, Mags and some of the pitching I do not remember too much gag like this on my side. Maybe some Beckham or Borchard? Anyway, with anything clouded by your own perception. And in my last post I should have written "perceived arrogance".

Wasn't Brian Anderson supposed to be this amazing five-tool player?

Wow. That's crazy and I can see why you're worked up if that's what you believe.


But the Cubs get more media coverage. That is fact. It bothers some White Sox fans. Also fact. Does that not qualify as a sort of jealousy?

There is plenty of hate sent the way of the White Sox from Cubs fans too.

It's only valid in the sense that saying Cub fans expect sustained dominance is valid. They are both facts that apply to a percentage of the fan base.

Ok. You're saying the percentages are equal? Id doubt that but whatever.

Can we agree that bitching that the Cubs get more press counts as jealousy?

Yeah, Mike you have a pretty messed up stereotypical idea of Cub fans.

The flip side would be saying all Sox fans are mulleted tattooed white trash.

Can we agree that bitching that the Cubs get more press counts as jealousy?

2005.

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