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I sense the Cubs addition of Addison Russell to their already great system has caused even the most obsessed Sox fan to feel like their teams future is on the bunk below the Cubs.



PAGING RPB!!!!!

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He's already setting up the "Theo did everything he could. It isn't his fault the players didn't perform as well as they could. You can't blame Theo for any of this because he put them in the best position he could" like he is doing with Paxson and Gar.


Can you imagine being Kris Bryant's boss?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I sense the Cubs addition of Addison Russell to their already great system has caused even the most obsessed Sox fan to feel like their teams future is on the bunk below the Cubs.



PAGING RPB!!!!!

That's about 3 out of 30


You act like it's the other way around

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JimmyPasta for chrissakes
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Hatchetman wrote:
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[PAGING RPB!!!!!


even RPB ain't gonna take no busted up bunk bed.

:lol:

This is going to end in a W-2 battle


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Epstein told you exactly what he was going to do, and he’s in the process of doing it.



He keeps saying that like it makes it okay. Maybe someone should tell him they are going to punch him in the face and then do it.

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He's already setting up the "Theo did everything he could. It isn't his fault the players didn't perform as well as they could. You can't blame Theo for any of this because he put them in the best position he could" like he is doing with Paxson and Gar.


Can you imagine being Kris Bryant's boss?


I can only dream...

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Don't have a single problem with anything he wrote. I can understand the frustrations of Cub fans as they could contend in this division even this year had a few moves been made. However, Rickett's is broke (comparatively speaking) and can't throw money around like the Dodgers or Yankees. Spending needs to be prioritized, and before Theo took over, that organization was a mess! So much had to be fixed. Starting from the bottom up just like an expansion team although painful was the right thing to do. Theo is not the deity Bernstine makes him out to be, but is there anyone else you would rather have right now?

As for Rose... Wish they could trade the prima donna!!


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Oh no. Another "Ricketts is broke" thought. :lol:

I wish I was as "broke" as him.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
8675309 wrote:

I sense the Cubs addition of Addison Russell to their already great system has caused even the most obsessed Sox fan to feel like their teams future is on the bunk below the Cubs.



PAGING RPB!!!!!

That's about 3 out of 30


You act like it's the other way around

Realists
NSD
Hank
Big Chicagoan
Myself, Robert Chief
Darkside
UMN
Peoria Matt
BadRogue
RFDC
Kirkwood
JimmyPasta for chrissakes
BigFan
Spanky
Dr Ken
Mr Reason
312player
Phil McCraken (R.I.P.)


Cubs Rule
DennisTheo'sMan
Scooter
5882300


Works for me.
I suggest adding dates when someone changes parties.

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UMN is a Cubs realist? Since when.

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UMN is a Cubs realist? Since when.



And where does Bucky fall?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Oh no. Another "Ricketts is broke" thought. :lol:

I wish I was as "broke" as him.


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GW is reporting that he saw Tom Ricketts use a Link card to buy the new video board.

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Oh no. Another "Ricketts is broke" thought. :lol:

I wish I was as "broke" as him.


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GW is reporting that he saw Tom Ricketts use a Link card to buy the new video board.
:lol: I think I'm finally starting to get your bit.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
UMN is a Cubs realist? Since when.

His work in the Cubs prospect thread is great and not biased at all.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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UMN is a Cubs realist? Since when.



And where does Bucky fall?

Bucky seems to be more realistic than previosly thought

Either way, the HUGE MAJORITY is on the realist side and you know it.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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UMN is a Cubs realist? Since when.



And where does Bucky fall?

Bucky seems to be more realistic than previosly thought

Either way, the HUGE MAJORITY is on the realist side and you know it.



Just stay alert for pages. JORR has his eye on the CSFMB Cuboisie.

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Where's IMU?
He needs his own level.

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It also should be pointed out that many of the "Cubs realists" probably wouldn't be without the teachings of JORR and good dolphin.

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It also should be pointed out that many of the "Cubs realists" probably wouldn't be without the teachings of JORR and good dolphin.


I was just as much of a realist before JORR and gd attempted to take all the fun out of following the Cubs as I am after their attempts.

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It also should be pointed out that many of the "Cubs realists" probably wouldn't be without the teachings of JORR and good dolphin.

No, they always were.

Despite Sox fans trying like hell to paint Cub fans as dumb at every point, the realists have always been real (and smarter than Sox fans)


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It also should be pointed out that many of the "Cubs realists" probably wouldn't be without the teachings of JORR and good dolphin.


I was just as much of a realist before JORR and gd attempted to take all the fun out of following the Cubs as I am after their attempts.

:lol:

They actually kind of believe it, too. That's the most hilarious part.


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(and smarter than Sox fans)
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

You want to be on the realist list, but you just can't.

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Sox fans confuse realism with pessimism. They think those are the same things.


yeah, in baseball they usually are.

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I don't like Bernsie or his writing style. The same goes for Rozner. But I happen to agree with both of their articles today on their Cubs' points.

"By Barry Rozner

When the next issue of Baseball America hits the newsstands -- or the midseason prospect update hits the BA website -- the Cubs' farm system will be ranked No. 1 in Major League Baseball.

Just think about that for a minute. Now, think about it for another minute.
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Yes, it deserves at least that much thought.

When Theo Epstein began his final year in Boston in January 2011, the Cubs were generously ranked No. 16 in baseball, and their top prospects were the likes of Chris Archer, Brett Jackson, Trey McNutt, Hak-Ju Lee, Josh Vitters, Chris Carpenter, Matt Szczur, Hayden Simpson, Rafael Dolis and Brandon Guyer.

By the time Epstein got here, Archer, Lee, Guyer and Robinson Chirinos had been dealt to Tampa for Matt Garza, and Jim Hendry had finally been given permission to spend and over-slot, adding the likes of Javy Baez, Dillon Maples and Dan Vogelbach in his final June draft.

Still, years of trading prospects, a lack of ownership spending to draft, sign and develop players domestically and internationally, combined with little outlay on scouting infrastructure, left the Cubs woefully behind the times.

Epstein announced immediately upon arriving that he intended to change that, explaining that much of the Cubs' investment would be unsexy and unseen. It took many in the media and fan base months to believe him, but he stayed with the plan.

So the Cubs have spent the last couple years doing precisely that, and between drafting very high and trades netting big-name prospects, the Cubs are now in the prospect stratosphere.

Not since Dallas Green and Gordy Goldsberry of the 1980s have the Cubs stockpiled so many genuine prospects, and had Green and Goldsberry not been fired, they might have fashioned multiple division titles and perhaps a World Series appearance.

Though they weren't present to enjoy it, they built the 1989 Eastern Division champs with scouting that produced Greg Maddux, Damon Berryhill, Joe Girardi, Rick Wrona, Shawon Dunston, Dwight Smith, Jerome Walton, Doug Dascenzo, Gary Varsho, Jeff Pico, Les Lancaster and Rafael Palmeiro (who was traded for 1989 contributors Mitch Williams), Steve Wilson, Paul Kilgus and Curtis Wilkerson.

The Cubs are positioning themselves now for a homegrown lineup that will offer teams able to consistently compete for division titles, and use the rest of the chips to deal for what they need to fill out the lineup and pitching staff.

With the addition of shortstop Addison Russell and center fielder Billy McKinney on Friday, the Cubs now have the top-ranked system in the game and three of their best prospects -- Kris Bryant (second), Russell (fifth) and Javy Baez (seventh) -- are in the top 10.

"They might have been the No. 2 or 3 organization before, but we really, really like Russell," said Baseball America editor John Manuel. "He does have power, but what stands out is the elite athletic ability that scouts complain they don't see enough of in baseball players anymore.

"It's reasonable to think he could hit .275 to .300 and if it all comes together he has 25-home run potential. All indications are he's a consistent guy on the field with a consistent effort off the field with his preparation.

"He's going to be a good defensive shortstop, good to both sides with a good arm, better defensively than Starlin Castro or Javy Baez, combined with a consistent and above average offensive contribution.

"His issues are all coachable and he should improve. There's not been an indication that there's anything he can't do."

If that all comes to fruition, Russell is the Cubs' shortstop of the future and Castro -- now a three-time all-star -- may be headed for another position or out of Chicago, where several teams are currently in the market for a talented offensive shortstop with a team-friendly contract through the end of the decade.

Of course, Epstein insists that Castro is his guy, which is what he has to do to increase his market value. In the meantime, Baez continues to play shortstop every day, an indication that the Cubs might be thinking they'll need Baez at that position sometime this year or next.

Either way, Russell is coming. He'll be ready for the majors next season and Epstein has invested a lot in the 20-year-old infielder.

What's important to understand, however, is Epstein doesn't care about the politics of which player belongs to what regime, but it's worth noting as well that players like Castro and Baez are not new to Epstein or his top lieutenants.

These are players they scouted just as did the Cubs, and it doesn't seem likely that they've seriously changed their opinions.

They were as infatuated as anyone with the stunning power of Baez, but did not know how he would progress as a baseball player. While that probably hasn't changed, remember that Epstein adores power bats and Baez has people dreaming of Gary Sheffield, so they may yet find a position for him.

As for Castro, they tried to change him last year to make him more Theo-friendly and he nearly disintegrated, so they fired a manager, hired a new one and told him to be himself. Castro is back to being Castro, but it doesn't guarantee Castro will remain.

How it all shakes out may not be known even to Epstein, but with assets come opportunities.

And, not so suddenly, the Cubs have a plethora of both.

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I am the realest most unbiased baseball poster this board has ever or will ever see.


Not to be confused with The Realness - Herb Lawrence.

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and their top prospects were the likes of Chris Archer, Brett Jackson, Trey McNutt, Hak-Ju Lee, Josh Vitters, Chris Carpenter, Matt Szczur, Hayden Simpson, Rafael Dolis and Brandon Guyer.



I realize you may be biased, but do you really not remember many of those guys who are now dismissed like pieces of shit being discussed in the same terms as Bryant, Baez, and Russell are currently? One of the Cub "realists" compared Brett Jackson to Mike Trout, for God's sake!

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yes, woe the Cubs and their 16th ranked farm system. Sox haven't been that high in 20 years. :lol:

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