Absolutely!

come on IMU, there is no way Arrieta has had the year Sale has.

Arrieta has had a nice little run, but it is not All Star worthy.

Sale has been dominant.

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So how do you explain Arrieta's superior ERA and FIP?

W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB K BAA WHIP

Kershaw LAD 10 2 1.85 13 13 87.1 64 18 18 4 12 115 .199 0.87

Arrieta CHC 5 1 1.78 12 12 70.2 53 15 14 2 19 79 .209 1.02

Sale CWS 8 1 2.16 13 13 87.1 60 22 21 6 16 96 .194 0.87

If Kershaw made it, so should the other two. Unless WHIP is the only thing that matters?

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TrollMU.

I'm OK with every time represented if the game means nothing. Like the rule or not, it actually means something so the best of the best should be there.

I don't think Sale throwing 40 extra pitches between warming up and pitching 1 inning in the game is going to bother him much. Then again, bigfan knows all about the expected injury quotient so maybe that changes things.

The HR Derby and the AS game is still an event that I really enjoy to watch. I agree with spany in that regard.

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Good to see I am not in someones head all the time.

Which makes it even more impressive as I log in from my 2 computers so I can post under both names at the same time.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

IMU had to ruin it for all the "Sox fans are obsessed" Cub fans.

Sox thread, about a truly elite pitcher, with nothing to do with the Cubs, gets derailed by an attention seeking "The Cubs have someone who is good too!" point.

You guys should vote to deport him from Cubbie Nation.

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I don't care if he's in, but if MLB had a fucking clue, he'd be there since he is a legit star. A freakshow. fun to watch.

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yeah he copied Franks blueprint in the Cubs section perfectly

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Here is another entrant!

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What thread about a truly elite pitcher in the Cubs section did Frank crash?

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Cubbie obsession mixed with the Detroit inferiority complex.

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I believe the team partnering thing has been going on for a couple years and includes all teams wiith players in the final vote.


But let's Call it a Cub thing, why not

Yeah, but this seems pretty convenient.

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To be fair, the Cubs don't have a truly elite pitcher to start a thread about

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Actually Arrieta does have similar numbers.

You are now off the Cubs realist list.

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Arrieta has more K/9 and a better ERA+

That cant be argued

He's not elite, but he has had an elite first half

Elite pitchers become elite at some point.

I hope Arrieta becomes elite. But he has the numbers to have made the All-Star game if Kershaw and Sale do.

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And if Arietta keeps it up for 2+ more seasons I would say he's truly elite.

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Arrieta is having himself a nice little season. Thank you for admitting he is nowhere near "truly elite," RPB.

Sale has higher WAR and Wins. Now, lets get one thing straight. When talking about hitters Rizzo v Abreu, we can't use RBIs or HRs, but OPS is ok. Now with pitchers we can't use wins or WAR, but K/9 and ERA is ok.

I wish you Cubs fans would make up your mind.

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Yeah, I said he's not elite....yet

What are you talking about?

Who said WAR cant be used?

OPS includes HR's, Frank.

K's/9 is a good stat. So is ERA+ (at least compared to ERA)

You can't be a Cubs realist if you think it's worthwhile to make a comparison of equality between Sale and Arrieta. It just doesn't make sense. You can reapply for the club tomorrow.

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WHIP, K/BB, CG, and W-L are good stats too.

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Let's keep this as troll free as we can.

Just like Bryan LaHair had a great first half that one year, Arrieta has done the same.

Im not sure why you are unable to understand judging a half season vs a career.

W-L % is passable. CG's are ok. The other two are good.

Arrieta's numbers have been almost as good as Sale overall and better in some spots. What's the issue?

There isn't an issue. Frank and I said the Cubs don't have a truly elite pitcher, you implied they did and then admitted they didn't yet. I think we can move on.

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False. Never implied that.

Said his numbers this year have been elite, which is correct. You guys took offense, which is weird cause it's just math.

I think we can move on now, knowing that I was always right.

So your point is that he has been elite but he's not elite.

That isn't confusing at all.

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Exactly.

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