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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:14 am 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
They arent concerned with Baez struggles I guess

He hasn't really been struggling as of late.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
They arent concerned with Baez struggles I guess

He hasn't really been struggling as of late.

Yeah, he's been pretty good since June 20. Hope he keeps it up. Id like to see him and Alcantara soon


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Jed just said Alcantara is playing 1 CF to 2 2B for every series, but that he will be increasing the CF ratio moving forward.


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It's good to see they learned from their mistake in handling Junior Lake.


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Eloy Jimenez has been off to a hot start in the AZL batting .389 so far....5 games though FWIW. He could be a massive individual though. 6'4 205 and he is still only 17.

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Eloy Jimenez has been off to a hot start in the AZL batting .389 so far....5 games though FWIW. He could be a massive individual though. 6'4 205 and he is still only 17.

Yeah...I mean...awesome...but we might avoid some extra flak if we don't daily update this thread based on 17 year old Eloy Jimenez' AZL production :D

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Eloy Jimenez has been off to a hot start in the AZL batting .389 so far....5 games though FWIW. He could be a massive individual though. 6'4 205 and he is still only 17.

What about my guy "at the gleybar"?


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Dillon Maples is pitching in the AZL tonight. He probably should have taken that full ride to UNC to be a kicker.....he probably still will.

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Eloy Jimenez has been off to a hot start in the AZL batting .389 so far....5 games though FWIW. He could be a massive individual though. 6'4 205 and he is still only 17.


He's probably 36.

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Just read Aiken has an elbow injury. And Appel has been sucking ass. I think I'm on board with the position player thing when drafting top 10 when there isn't a Kershaw/Verlander/Strasburg talent staring you in the face.


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Just read Aiken has an elbow injury. And Appel has been sucking ass. I think I'm on board with the position player thing when drafting top 10 when there isn't a Kershaw/Verlander/Strasburg talent staring you in the face.


Aiken was certainly supposed to be like those guys. I think you can build a pretty good team with a TINSTAAPP philosophy but you're probably going to end up like the 90s Indians where Chuck Nagy is your best pitcher. It seems like that's the best case scenario for the Epstein Cubs. I'm not saying that would be bad. But the idea that the Cubs can just buy top level pitching when they need it is somewhat suspect. Teams aren't letting guys like that go. Sure, you can overpay for a Samardzija or a fading David Price if you want to.

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Just read Aiken has an elbow injury. And Appel has been sucking ass. I think I'm on board with the position player thing when drafting top 10 when there isn't a Kershaw/Verlander/Strasburg talent staring you in the face.


Aiken was certainly supposed to be like those guys. I think you can build a pretty good team with a TINSTAAPP philosophy but you're probably going to end up like the 90s Indians where Chuck Nagy is your best pitcher. It seems like that's the best case scenario for the Epstein Cubs. I'm not saying that would be bad. But the idea that the Cubs can just buy top level pitching when they need it is somewhat suspect. Teams aren't letting guys like that go. Sure, you can overpay for a Samardzija or a fading David Price if you want to.

90's Indians would be pretty awesome.

It's obviously being built like an AL team.

There is a modest chance of acquiring an Ace. It does happen (Cliff Lee, Curt Schilling, Greinke) but its definitely a long shot


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Jed just said Alcantara is playing 1 CF to 2 2B for every series, but that he will be increasing the CF ratio moving forward.


As it should for a minor league 2B who has 12 errors in half a season. That is full on butchering for a 2B.

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Brett Jackson with a 2 run bomb!!! He is BACK!!!

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Brett Jackson with a 2 run bomb!!! He is BACK!!!

Don't get me excited.

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Stay as long as you need to douchebag.


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It's good to see they learned from their mistake in handling Junior Lake.


What mistake was made with Lake? I just think he is a 4th outfielder ..nothing more.

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Stay as long as you need to douchebag.

This made my day.

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It's good to see they learned from their mistake in handling Junior Lake.


What mistake was made with Lake? I just think he is a 4th outfielder ..nothing more.

When Lake was in the minors they played him at SS and 3B despite the obvious fact that he would never play those positions in the majors. When they did call him up to play the outfield he was lost. At least they are giving Alcantara some outfield time in the minors so if he has to play there in the majors he won't look as clueless as Lake.


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Nice.

Hope he stays up


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Bucky Chris wrote:
Jed just said Alcantara is playing 1 CF to 2 2B for every series, but that he will be increasing the CF ratio moving forward.


As it should for a minor league 2B who has 12 errors in half a season. That is full on butchering for a 2B.


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It's good to see they learned from their mistake in handling Junior Lake.


What mistake was made with Lake? I just think he is a 4th outfielder ..nothing more.

When Lake was in the minors they played him at SS and 3B despite the obvious fact that he would never play those positions in the majors. When they did call him up to play the outfield he was lost. At least they are giving Alcantara some outfield time in the minors so if he has to play there in the majors he won't look as clueless as Lake.


In his first or second year in the bigs, Castro was asked about changing positions because Lake was playing short in the minors. Castro responded that he'd be happy to go to 2nd or 3rd if Lake was brought up because he said that Lake was the best shortstop he ever saw.

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Well it's a good thing Castro's baseball career panned out because he'd make an awful scout.


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Mark Zagunis has been playing an awful lot of OF so far in Boise and I am assuming he did the same in the AZL. I thought he was viewed as someone who could actually catch. He is hitting though.... .371 so far!!!

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Barry wants to know what your alternative plan is. Please relay it to him. It pains me to be in complete agreement with him. Two optimists; two foes.

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Is Cubs' plan really that hard to understand?
By Barry Rozner

Reasonable people can certainly disagree.

But when it comes to Chicago Cubs baseball, reason departed sometime between the rise of the Carolingian dynasty and the French Revolution.

On the other hand, it might simply have been the moment Larry Himes decided Jose Guzman could replace Greg Maddux.

Give or take a century.

Theo Epstein is getting a firsthand look at the folly that hundreds of Cubs players, managers and GMs have experienced, the distinct displeasure of fans and media experts, quick with a rebuke but silent when surveyed for an alternative plan.

It probably helps if one is young or astute enough to comprehend the overwhelming complexities of maddening concepts like on-base percentage, and the advantages of scoring more runs than an opponent.

Generally, the only offer involves the spending of more money -- which is the eternal answer to every Cubs question.

Just. Spend. Money.

It works every time, except not really.

Few among the self-proclaimed geniuses probably knew who Jason Hammel was when 29 teams passed and he took a pay cut to sign a flipping-friendly deal with the Cubs on the day pitchers and catchers reported to spring training.

Yet today, it is tragic that Hammel -- only months from free agency -- has been traded for the likes of Dan Straily, who is six years younger and has five more years of team control.

When the Cubs signed Scott Feldman -- he of the 6-11 record and 5.09 ERA -- in November 2012, there was laughter in the streets and in the papers. After his solid start to 2013, there was open weeping when Feldman was dealt for Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop.

When Epstein arrived and gave Jeff Samardzija the chance to start, the chuckles were citywide. Samardzija was a bust and this experiment would never work.

Once the Cubs created value in a starting pitcher and Samardzija declared that he would sell his wares in free agency, barely taking notice of an $85 million offer from the home team, Samardzija was suddenly the untouchable ace worthy of a better package than the Cubs got from Oakland, which included two huge prospects and a starting pitcher who finished fourth in AL Rookie of the Year voting in 2013.

The trade is an unmitigated disaster, according to some, but the alternative plan is as distant as a manned mission to Neptune.

Mostly, the Cubs simply need to pay for players immediately, even if these are just stopgap measures.

They need more of Edwin Jackson, Carlos Pena, Marlon Byrd, Milton Bradley and Kosuke Fukudome, to name just a few of the players money has bought in the last few years.

Money is always the answer to everything.

The truth is you can't begrudge anyone their anger over a sell-off when the team was playing its best baseball in a few years, and you can't blame anyone for refusing to watch or pay for such a product.

Similarly, those who don't like the rebuilding plan or think it will never work have every right to wonder, as there is no guarantee it will work in the long run.

But for the love of Cliff Johnson and all that's holy, at least there is a plan in place for the first time since Dallas Green put together two division winners in five years, the first titles of any kind in four decades.

What's staggering is the inability of many to understand something so simple, or the absolute refusal to even try to grasp the obvious, while conveniently forgetting the spending calamities of the past.

Eventually, the Cubs will shop and purchase and it will be a necessary part of consistently competing for a postseason spot, and rest assured that some of that will not go well.

When you buy players, especially the really expensive ones, the risk is often high and the reward too frequently negligible.

And you know when it happens that there will be screaming about the awful expenditure of money and the terrible planning behind it.

Therein, after all and in perpetuity, rest the wise observations of Chicago Cubs baseball.

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Few knew who Hammels was?

The guy was one year removed from being a starter in the playoffs for a really fun to watch Oriole team

Barry's inferiority complex is regularly on display.

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GD, you need to e-mail him and challenge. Stop hiding on this message board.

He got so pissed at me in one e-mail exchange, that he wrote, "are you one of those guys that is still harboring ill will towards me because I scored on you in a hockey game". I laughed hard at that because I never played hockey. What riled him up was that I challenged him on his yearning for the good ole days.

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While Rozner is sometimes accidentally correct about some things, he is a terrible writer and a terrible sports analyst. Don't give him credibility by even posting it here. I view his Cubs thoughts as I would whistler's.

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GD, you need to e-mail him and challenge. Stop hiding on this message board.

He got so pissed at me in one e-mail exchange, that he wrote, "are you one of those guys that is still harboring ill will towards me because I scored on you in a hockey game". I laughed hard at that because I never played hockey. What riled him up was that I challenged him on his yearning for the good ole days.


I had a similar experience with Barry when i questioned his 180 on Sammy Sosa.

Funny stuff.

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Alcantara with a 2RBI double on his first MLB hit. Also has a sac fly.


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