People forget how great that '05 team was. They won 90 games the next year too and people act like they were below .500 the rest of the way.

People forget how great that '05 team was. They won 90 games the next year too and people act like they were below .500 the rest of the way.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Alright ...no sox fans will answer .. my guess is after 3 years , hahn will have an almost identical record as Epstein first 3 years.

Alright ...no sox fans will answer .. my guess is after 3 years , hahn will have an almost identical record as Epstein first 3 years.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

I thought Hahns first season was last year ? They lost like 99 games last year...n mite dump some players n be right back again @ the 90 plus -losses .

Alright ...no sox fans will answer .. my guess is after 3 years , hahn will have an almost identical record as Epstein first 3 years.

I mean...this is strictly having to do with my personality...or viewpoint...or whatever, but:

I think I can deal with "phases" a bit better than a mixed bag of win loss. It is much easier for me to discuss this now as the losing period on purpose is nearing its end...but I've been on board with a full rebuild for awhile. I didn't post much since 2006...but I believe if I still had some of those posts you'd find me wanting to rebuild as early as 2009...a complete overhaul. The Derrek Lee / Alfonso Soriano / Carlos Zambrano / Aramis Ramirez contracts put the Cubs in a crappy situation.

Some insight: I was not a Bulls fan in the 90's. I was a Magic fan. I then didn't watch much NBA from 1999 to 2002 or so...caught it here and there, but I wasn't a diehard. The Bulls piqued my interest with the drafting of Jay Williams. I had disliked Jalen Rose, Chandler, Curry, Mercer, E-Rob, Fizer, Brand...really the only Bull I liked was Brad Miller. The Bulls re-stocking with Jay Williams (and then his replacement Kirk Hinrich), Ben Gordon, Luol Deng...I enjoy watching young players develop. I'm a fan of teams, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a fan of individual players as well. Winning with a team full of homegrown talent "feels" better. I believe the Blackhawks are an excellent example. Doesn't it feel better that Toews, Kane, Niemi, Crawford, Keith, Seabrook led the way? Sharp to some extent, as he came over young. Hossa was the only big contributor as a free agent.

The Bulls teams centered around Kirk, Gordon, and Deng and then Noah, Taj, Rose, and Deng? I loved it.

This might be why I wore rose colored glasses with Felix Pie and Brett Jackson...you follow a guy for so long and you want that guy to be a part of the team that is successful.

A World Series win is a World Series win. But I'd cherish it some small amount more if Starlin Castro leads the way, rather than trade him for some David Price or Cliff Lee.



No. Honestly, no. Maybe if this wasn't a full rebuild, I'd be fine. But there is a trade-off for willingly accepting multiple losing seasons. And that trade-off is that the highs have to be higher to make up for the low lows.

I'm not a typical Cubs fan maybe - I'm not old enough to be. The losing has been terrible...but "culture" and all of that - it means nothing to me. As far as I'm concerned, the MLB was created around 1996, when I started watching baseball. The only World Series you care about is this year's World Series. And I was on board with sacrificing several chances to most likely provide better chances in the near to mid-term future.
Cubs win the World Series in 2016? In 2017, you will not once see me bring up the 2016 World Series as a reason why I care any less about the results of 2017. Because I'm going to be that adamant as to winning the 2017 World Series as if the 2016 World Series never happened.

I can't and won't speak for the Cubs fan who has been a fan for the last 40 or 50 years.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

People forget how great that '05 team was. They won 90 games the next year too and people act like they were below .500 the rest of the way.

except the brewers.

03, 04, 07, and 08 were all heartbreaking in their own way.

You want to win. You should always want to win, but especially now.

That's the thing about baseball, other sports too but baseball especially, you can be the best team all year and get beaten by a wild card in 3 or 4 days.


I dont think most Cub fans expect a World Series for sure or multiple or whatever. Just want to be consistently in the mix. Not two good years than 7 mediocre to bad ones.


I also believe 03 and 04 probably changed the way many Cub fans view the whole thing.

"Being consistently in the mix" is overrated.

What makes the Cardinals and the Yankees what they are, and what makes the Sox and the Cubs what they are is the number of championships. It sucks that in recent decades both the Sox and Cubs haven't had championships or lots of playoff apperances.

You think the A's and Tigers will think the season was a success if they just are "in the mix"?

"Being consistently in the mix" is overrated.

What makes the Cardinals and the Yankees what they are, and what makes the Sox and the Cubs what they are is the number of championships. It sucks that in recent decades both the Sox and Cubs haven't had championships or lots of playoff apperances.

You think the A's and Tigers will think the season was a success if they just are "in the mix"?

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

No winning the World series is the goal, but obviously being in the mix increases your chances of winning one. Were not talking about one season though, this is what you want for a period of years.

The Yankees and Cardinals are a perfect example for my argument. They've both been in the playoffs consistently. Without looking I wanna say around 10 times each since 95. And they cashed in a few of those.

Yep, just look at the Buffalo Bills or Tarkenton's Minnesota Vikings.

Obviously the better you are the better chance you have of winning the World Series. It still is a pretty bad consolation prize to say "We were good for a while but we never won a title".

The Yankees and Cardinals are a perfect example for my argument. They've both been in the playoffs consistently. Without looking I wanna say around 10 times each since 95. And they cashed in a few of those.

They aren't though. There are teams that have been nearly as consistent that have won zero or one of them. What sets them apart is that they actually cashed in.

Ok, so what are you saying?

You dont think consistent playoff appearances increase chances of winning a title?

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

baseball is a crapshoot. unpredictable. which is why it is infinitely more interesting than the other sports. you don't know who's going to win before the game starts.