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Damn fine job two starts in a row.

He'll get it one of these times.

Kershaw
Arrieta
everyone else

That is the run down of National League pitching.

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I would trade him immediately.

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This is for Theo Inc to answer.

You trade him if you are really going to keep Bryant down next year, dont see Baez or Ala Carte coming up and you dont think Tommy will let you sign some real bats.

However, if you are going to put your big boy pants on next year. You keep him.

Note, Arietta is at 500K...Guessing he wants more money.

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Nas wrote:
I would trade him immediately.

You're not serious...? Why?

He figured out how to not walk people. This was the thing holding him back.

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I would trade him immediately.

You're not serious...? Why?

He figured out how to not walk people. This was the thing holding him back.


I think you have to sell high. He'll be in his 30's when we are competing. I think we would be better off with younger blood when you consider how much he will cost if he continues playing at this level.

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Insanity.

1. Just turned 28.
2. Cost controlled until 2017.

You hold onto him.


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You make me feel old.

He is under club control until 2018. Arbitration dollars are still value. The point of signing guys like Feldman and Hammel are to get guys like Arrieta, Edwards, Black, etc. The plan isn't and endless recycling pattern.

You can't honestly tell.me you think the Cubs can't compete next year? The Cubs would be competing this year with only slightly upgraded 2B, CF and RF.

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I don't know if they'll be competing for the playoffs until 2016 or 2017.

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It is reasonable to think they can be as competitive as they want to next season, and for sure in 2016.

Arrieta should be a piece, not a trade chip. I include him in a deal for Price if requested, or packaged for another top starter, but that is it. The Cubs need ML ready pitchers, and Arrieta is cost controlled and seems to have finally come into his own.

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Keep him. 28 is not that old.

But they'll probably trade him.


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He is under team control until 2017. He is not going anywhere.


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It is reasonable to think they can be as competitive as they want to next season, and for sure in 2016.

Arrieta should be a piece, not a trade chip. I include him in a deal for Price if requested, or packaged for another top starter, but that is it. The Cubs need ML ready pitchers, and Arrieta is cost controlled and seems to have finally come into his own.


Since I don't expect them to call up their top prospects until September (if that) you have to give them a year to adjust to the league and start performing. Pitching is an issue and I don't think they have the resources to spend yet. That's why I believe 2016 or 2017 will be the year the Cubs compete for the playoffs and I expect them to be competing for the WS starting in 2018.

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Nas wrote:
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It is reasonable to think they can be as competitive as they want to next season, and for sure in 2016.

Arrieta should be a piece, not a trade chip. I include him in a deal for Price if requested, or packaged for another top starter, but that is it. The Cubs need ML ready pitchers, and Arrieta is cost controlled and seems to have finally come into his own.


Since I don't expect them to call up their top prospects until September (if that) you have to give them a year to adjust to the league and start performing. Pitching is an issue and I don't think they have the resources to spend yet. That's why I believe 2016 or 2017 will be the year the Cubs compete for the playoffs and I expect them to be competing for the WS starting in 2018.


You may be right, but it's still ok to keep good players to bridge the gap. Especially cost controlled ones.


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Nas wrote:
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It is reasonable to think they can be as competitive as they want to next season, and for sure in 2016.

Arrieta should be a piece, not a trade chip. I include him in a deal for Price if requested, or packaged for another top starter, but that is it. The Cubs need ML ready pitchers, and Arrieta is cost controlled and seems to have finally come into his own.


Since I don't expect them to call up their top prospects until September (if that) you have to give them a year to adjust to the league and start performing. Pitching is an issue and I don't think they have the resources to spend yet. That's why I believe 2016 or 2017 will be the year the Cubs compete for the playoffs and I expect them to be competing for the WS starting in 2018.

Why is pitching an issue? The Cubs are Top 10 in pretty much every statistical pitching category.

Yet they are 13th in the NL in runs scored.

The Cubs have had countless starters and relievers jump into the organization and have career years. They're able to pick up 'guys' on the cheap and those 'guys' become excellent, reliable pitchers. Chris Bosio seems to be very good at his job, and the Cubs' brass has been good at finding guys like Hammel, Feldman, Maholm, Arrieta etc. And while the first three will give the Cubs decent returns, Arrieta becomes an actual piece going forward.

tl;dr - Worry about the offense. Which seems like it will be much improved over the course of 2015.

I think Alcantara sees the majors this year, and Baez at least in September.

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He is under team control until 2017. He is not going anywhere.


Scott Boras + 3 years of Arbitration

That should come pretty cheap!

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immessedup17 wrote:
It is reasonable to think they can be as competitive as they want to next season, and for sure in 2016.

Arrieta should be a piece, not a trade chip. I include him in a deal for Price if requested, or packaged for another top starter, but that is it. The Cubs need ML ready pitchers, and Arrieta is cost controlled and seems to have finally come into his own.


Since I don't expect them to call up their top prospects until September (if that) you have to give them a year to adjust to the league and start performing. Pitching is an issue and I don't think they have the resources to spend yet. That's why I believe 2016 or 2017 will be the year the Cubs compete for the playoffs and I expect them to be competing for the WS starting in 2018.

Why is pitching an issue? The Cubs are Top 10 in pretty much every statistical pitching category.

Yet they are 13th in the NL in runs scored.

The Cubs have had countless starters and relievers jump into the organization and have career years. They're able to pick up 'guys' on the cheap and those 'guys' become excellent, reliable pitchers. Chris Bosio seems to be very good at his job, and the Cubs' brass has been good at finding guys like Hammel, Feldman, Maholm, Arrieta etc. And while the first three will give the Cubs decent returns, Arrieta becomes an actual piece going forward.

tl;dr - Worry about the offense. Which seems like it will be much improved over the course of 2015.

I think Alcantara sees the majors this year, and Baez at least in September.


We don't have an ace. Bosio may be able to continue to work his magic every year but I wouldn't want to bank on it. I want some Wood/Prior/Zambrano arms to come up from the minors. That will make winning more sustainable IMO.

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Nas wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
It is reasonable to think they can be as competitive as they want to next season, and for sure in 2016.

Arrieta should be a piece, not a trade chip. I include him in a deal for Price if requested, or packaged for another top starter, but that is it. The Cubs need ML ready pitchers, and Arrieta is cost controlled and seems to have finally come into his own.


Since I don't expect them to call up their top prospects until September (if that) you have to give them a year to adjust to the league and start performing. Pitching is an issue and I don't think they have the resources to spend yet. That's why I believe 2016 or 2017 will be the year the Cubs compete for the playoffs and I expect them to be competing for the WS starting in 2018.

Why is pitching an issue? The Cubs are Top 10 in pretty much every statistical pitching category.

Yet they are 13th in the NL in runs scored.

The Cubs have had countless starters and relievers jump into the organization and have career years. They're able to pick up 'guys' on the cheap and those 'guys' become excellent, reliable pitchers. Chris Bosio seems to be very good at his job, and the Cubs' brass has been good at finding guys like Hammel, Feldman, Maholm, Arrieta etc. And while the first three will give the Cubs decent returns, Arrieta becomes an actual piece going forward.

tl;dr - Worry about the offense. Which seems like it will be much improved over the course of 2015.

I think Alcantara sees the majors this year, and Baez at least in September.


Alcantara continues to tear it up. Time to give him a shot, IMO. Darwin Barney needs to go away forever.


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Insanity.

1. Just turned 28.
2. Cost controlled until 2017.

You hold onto him.



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Why is this even a debate?

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We're trying to teach Nas about professional baseball, as it takes place off the field.

In turn...he teaches us NBA Capology.

@Nas... You might not find the arms you're looking for in house. CJ Edwards could be a top of the rotation starter, but Corey Black, Paul Blackburn, Kyle Hendricks, Pierce Johnson, Duane Underwood, Jen-Ho Tseng...you just hope a couple of those guys become good middle of the rotation starters. Arrieta could be a good #2 or #3.

But with the surplus of bats in the Cubs' minors...you can flip some of those for pitching.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
He is under team control until 2017. He is not going anywhere.


I would have thought this was obvious to everyone

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Oh, you know...yet another start where he refuses to give up hits.

#justArrietathings

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Oh, you know...yet another start where he refuses to give up hits.

#justArrietathings


Add an RBI to the list as well.

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how bout they flip this guy for a prospect? seriously.

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how bout they flip this guy for a prospect? seriously.

Please don't post.

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Base running in the major leagues is pathetic. That's the second time this week I saw a runner not score from 2nd base on a double. How the fuck does that happen.


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how bout they flip this guy for a prospect? seriously.


Because he is real good and 25.

Did that really need explaining?

If Mike Olt could hit above the mendoza line, he would be here for years as well.

Side note on Mike Olt, really good dude. Havent seen a guy take that much time to sign balls for kids, say hello to them, etc in a while. he has been really good in the field, the power is there...and I think he even took a walk yesterday!

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how bout they flip this guy for a prospect? seriously.


Because he is real good and 25.

Did that really need explaining?

If Mike Olt could hit above the mendoza line, he would be here for years as well.

Side note on Mike Olt, really good dude. Havent seen a guy take that much time to sign balls for kids, say hello to them, etc in a while. he has been really good in the field, the power is there...and I think he even took a walk yesterday!

I wanted Olt to be good as his story seems to be a nice one to root for but man, you gotta be better than .150 When Darwin fucking Barney is hitting 70 points better than you , you probably shouldn't be in the major leagues.

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I guess there is no reason not to bat Olt 8th as long as he is the worst bat in the lineup. Cannot have him and Barney playing the same day.

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not even a question he needs to be better!

I have broken down the guys numbers to see what situation he does better or best in and the best I can "RONGEY" up for you is that he is better as a hitter at night!

Batting .212 at night v .088 in the day!

Now he is batting .214 in July so far, which for him is a big move.

the only other great stat is that he is .333 v the Sox 4 for 12.

June he batted .057!!!!!!! was only 35 AB's, but I think ricky sat him as it was going so bad, you had to save the guy.
So the numbers at the end of the year have no chance at being good, but a .235 July would be a monster comeback for him.

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