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Well, it's not our plane.

It would be really tough to make the case that they were targeting Americans.

We did the same thing once.

He would find little backing at home for any type of military strike.

See I don't care that they didn't know Americans were on that plane.
Americans were on that plane. Civilians.
It cannot be unanswered. This is a pivotal point in this conflict... America cannot appear to be impotent on this.


The Russians know already that he is impotent.

Getting into any type of military conflict would be disastrous.

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The Russians know already that he is impotent.

Getting into any type of military conflict would be disastrous.

I don't see this as an Obama thing.
This is an America thing.
I'm not thinking that a military conflict would be an appropriate response, at least as far as an invasion/conventional conflict scenario is concerned.
I do believe that sanctions are not appropriate.
I honestly don't know what would be the right thing to do, but the world and to a lesser degree Russia needs to feel the impact of this and understand that this dog don't hunt.

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The Russians know already that he is impotent.

Getting into any type of military conflict would be disastrous.

I don't see this as an Obama thing.
This is an America thing.
I'm not thinking that a military conflict would be an appropriate response, at least as far as an invasion/conventional conflict scenario is concerned.
I do believe that sanctions are not appropriate.
I honestly don't know what would be the right thing to do, but the world and to a lesser degree Russia needs to feel the impact of this and understand that this dog don't hunt.


So you are suggesting what then?

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So you are suggesting what then?

I don't know. As I said before, I'm not that qualified.

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So you are suggesting what then?

I don't know. As I said before, I'm not that qualified.


What other options are there?

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So you are suggesting what then?

I don't know. As I said before, I'm not that qualified.


What other options are there?

I'm open to suggestions.
I'm sure some black ops shit is possible.
This needs to be treated seriously. It's more than just an accident.

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The strange thing is the Ukranian air force use Russian planes. So if they thought they would fire on a Ukranian supply or transport plane they should know. Furthermore, all their (Russian/Ukrainian) planes for those missions are either turboprops (like our C-130 140) or they are "wing over fuselage" jets.

There is no way in the fucking world they mistook a Boeing for a military plane. They are either complete three stooges level people with high tech Russian hardware of something else is going on.

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23 Americans die in a plane crash, and we must act immediately.

23 kids get blown away in school, and we can't even talk about it.



Use the search function I am sure there are plenty of pages talking about the 23 kids.


Reality extends beyond the message board.

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Darkside wrote:
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So you are suggesting what then?

I don't know. As I said before, I'm not that qualified.


What other options are there?

I'm open to suggestions.
I'm sure some black ops shit is possible.
This needs to be treated seriously. It's more than just an accident.


We could always supply some Chechnyans with weapons to blow up a plane leaving Russia??

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The strange thing is the Ukranian air force use Russian planes. So if they thought they would fire on a Ukranian supply or transport plane they should know. Furthermore, all their (Russian/Ukrainian) planes for those missions are either turboprops (like our C-130 140) or they are "wing over fuselage" jets.

There is no way in the fucking world they mistook a Boeing for a military plane. They are either complete three stooges level people with high tech Russian hardware of something else is going on.

That's what I'm getting at. See, the civvies use civvy transponders, they're marked as civilian, they're on civilian flight paths, at civilian altitudes, using civilian radio transmissions... I don't see how one could legitimately mistake this for a military transport.

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The strange thing is the Ukranian air force use Russian planes. So if they thought they would fire on a Ukranian supply or transport plane they should know. Furthermore, all their (Russian/Ukrainian) planes for those missions are either turboprops (like our C-130 140) or they are "wing over fuselage" jets.

There is no way in the fucking world they mistook a Boeing for a military plane. They are either complete three stooges level people with high tech Russian hardware of something else is going on.


The idiot factor is always there. Maybe there was someone important on the plane and it hasn't come out yet?

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23 Americans die in a plane crash, and we must act immediately.

23 kids get blown away in school, and we can't even talk about it.



Use the search function I am sure there are plenty of pages talking about the 23 kids.

And in any case, those responsible for those crimes domestically are held accountable one way or another.
I'm not really seeing the correlation.


Because the war drums are already beating. You said it yourself that sanctions aren't enough, and that Putin is laughing at us.

After the Newtown massacre, we couldn't even get stricter background checks for gun owners, despite 90% being in favor of it. Nothing was done, other than the same old claptrap from the right about hockey sticks and hammers killing people, too. We should call school shootings terrorist attacks from now on.

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Because the war drums are already beating. You said it yourself that sanctions aren't enough, and that Putin is laughing at us.

After the Newtown massacre, we couldn't even get stricter background checks for gun owners, despite 90% being in favor of it. Nothing was done, other than the same old claptrap from the right about hockey sticks and hammers killing people, too. We should call school shootings terrorist attacks from now on.



Well I doubt much will be done about this either.

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Because the war drums are already beating. You said it yourself that sanctions aren't enough, and that Putin is laughing at us.

After the Newtown massacre, we couldn't even get stricter background checks for gun owners, despite 90% being in favor of it. Nothing was done, other than the same old claptrap from the right about hockey sticks and hammers killing people, too. We should call school shootings terrorist attacks from now on.

Wait,if 90% favor it, why are we blaming "the right"?
Hell even the NRA endorsed background checks.

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The strange thing is the Ukranian air force use Russian planes. So if they thought they would fire on a Ukranian supply or transport plane they should know. Furthermore, all their (Russian/Ukrainian) planes for those missions are either turboprops (like our C-130 140) or they are "wing over fuselage" jets.

There is no way in the fucking world they mistook a Boeing for a military plane. They are either complete three stooges level people with high tech Russian hardware of something else is going on.


The idiot factor is always there. Maybe there was someone important on the plane and it hasn't come out yet?



Like an ambassador that had the dirt on Bill Clinton? :lol:

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Because the war drums are already beating. You said it yourself that sanctions aren't enough, and that Putin is laughing at us.

After the Newtown massacre, we couldn't even get stricter background checks for gun owners, despite 90% being in favor of it. Nothing was done, other than the same old claptrap from the right about hockey sticks and hammers killing people, too. We should call school shootings terrorist attacks from now on.

Wait,if 90% favor it, why are we blaming "the right"?
Hell even the NRA endorsed background checks.



And off track we go....

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Because the war drums are already beating. You said it yourself that sanctions aren't enough, and that Putin is laughing at us.

After the Newtown massacre, we couldn't even get stricter background checks for gun owners, despite 90% being in favor of it. Nothing was done, other than the same old claptrap from the right about hockey sticks and hammers killing people, too. We should call school shootings terrorist attacks from now on.

Wait,if 90% favor it, why are we blaming "the right"?
Hell even the NRA endorsed background checks.

Because the GOP filibustered the bill.....and they did that because they were afraid of TeaDouches primarying them..... and are scared to death of the NRA.......

Wow you're showing a shocking lack of awareness tonight even for you
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Because the war drums are already beating. You said it yourself that sanctions aren't enough, and that Putin is laughing at us.

After the Newtown massacre, we couldn't even get stricter background checks for gun owners, despite 90% being in favor of it. Nothing was done, other than the same old claptrap from the right about hockey sticks and hammers killing people, too. We should call school shootings terrorist attacks from now on.

Wait,if 90% favor it, why are we blaming "the right"?
Hell even the NRA endorsed background checks.



And off track we go....

Yeah. You're right. I am sorry. Chus forget it. Not here.

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Because the GOP filibustered the bill.....and they did that because they were afraid of TeaDouches primarying them..... and are scared to death of the NRA.......

Wow you're showing a shocking lack of awareness tonight even for you

Which bill?

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Yeah. You're right. I am sorry. Chus forget it. Not here.

Did Chas get your password tonight?
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Because the GOP filibustered the bill.....and they did that because they were afraid of TeaDouches primarying them..... and are scared to death of the NRA.......

Wow you're showing a shocking lack of awareness tonight even for you

Which bill?

You feeling ok? You just drunk tonight? Or did Chas really get your password.

I know you need to get a few good BMac back and forths going to distract people from your bad posting tonight, but c'mon man. You're a lot smarter than this.
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That's what I'm getting at. See, the civvies use civvy transponders, they're marked as civilian, they're on civilian flight paths, at civilian altitudes, using civilian radio transmissions... I don't see how one could legitimately mistake this for a military transport.


When the U.S. mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988, they incorrectly identified the squawks as military, so it happens.

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Because the GOP filibustered the bill.....and they did that because they were afraid of TeaDouches primarying them..... and are scared to death of the NRA.......

Wow you're showing a shocking lack of awareness tonight even for you

Which bill?

You feeling ok? You just drunk tonight? Or did Chas really get your password.

I know you need to get a few good BMac back and forths going to distract people from your bad posting tonight, but c'mon man. You're a lot smarter than this.

Please tell me which bill you're talking about so I can respond to your post intelligently.

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Because the GOP filibustered the bill.....and they did that because they were afraid of TeaDouches primarying them..... and are scared to death of the NRA.......

Wow you're showing a shocking lack of awareness tonight even for you

Which bill?

You feeling ok? You just drunk tonight? Or did Chas really get your password.

I know you need to get a few good BMac back and forths going to distract people from your bad posting tonight, but c'mon man. You're a lot smarter than this.

Please tell me which bill you're talking about so I can respond to your post intelligently.

Please pull your head out of you ass and post intelligently.
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That's what I'm getting at. See, the civvies use civvy transponders, they're marked as civilian, they're on civilian flight paths, at civilian altitudes, using civilian radio transmissions... I don't see how one could legitimately mistake this for a military transport.


When the U.S. mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988, they incorrectly identified the squawks as military, so it happens.

Wow. Just speed read that wiki page on that incident. Fascinating. Well, then.
Do you feel that this should be regarded as an accident or should a response be issued? Now, I'm feeling rather ambivalent on the issue.

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Please pull your head out of you ass and post intelligently.

Which bill are you talking about? Please tell me so I can respond to your question.

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I have the CNN version in another window right now. Just was seeing how long Darko would keep playing dumb.

I see his thoughts on the plane are....shall we say.. evolving now too. :lol:
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