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Don Tiny
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I can't see the U.S. doing anything to Russia directly. I haven't been following along, so if they are already helping the Ukrainian government in some way through a backdoor, perhaps that will continue.


It's called NATO.

Ukraine and half of Eastern Europe have begged for NATO involvement since this started, what, last October or whenever ... but there really wasn't anything you could point to and say "hey, NATO has the legal authority to do this or that" ... after the roll call of passengers comes out (in this day and age how is that not available almost immediately by the way), we'll see if it can be manufactured into enough 'harumph' to get "peacekeepers" brought in by the thousands and from there who knows.


People know the roll call. They are just doing backround on it to see if there are any victims that might REALLY complicate this thing.


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anyway, like I said long ago, Russians are amoral people whose only regulator is an aggressive response...some low level guy is taking the fall for this but it really leads back to the top of the Russian goverment


That's any government you wish to pick short of straight-up Mugabe-style dictatorships.

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I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that a Russian backed separatist organization, which is largely considered to be composed of Russian special forces with a minority of actual residents of Ukraine, and is well funded and armed by Russia, who downed a plane full of civilians including US citizens should be greeted with nothing more serious than meaningless sanctions.


But its not a U.S. plane. Had it been a U.S. plane, I think the reaction would be different. If the U.S. applies more sanctions or goes to war at this point, I don't think you get enough backing.

The worst part of this is it was an airline of a country that can't do much. Now if that was an Air China plane, you would have a much more interesting impact.

I'm not so sure China would shiv a get. They love them some Russia.
Even though it wasn't a US plane it had US civvies on it... Doesn't this piss us off?


I've heard that while the relationship looks great, there is a lot of tension still.

I don't know if I care so much about what Russia is doing at this point.

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Is Darkside suggesting that we attack Russia to avenge the deaths of 20 something Americans?

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Is Darkside suggesting that we attack Russia to avenge the deaths of 20 something Americans?

Keep reading. He doesn't know what to do . He isn't qualified to make those decisions.
He's just qualified to shoot down everybody else's suggestions.


(poor choice of words)

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Is Darkside suggesting that we attack Russia to avenge the deaths of 20 something Americans?

Keep reading. He doesn't know what to do . He isn't qualified to make those decisions.
He's just qualified to shoot down everybody else's suggestions.


(poor choice of words)


That's what I'm seeing. A lot of "Shouldn't we be mad?" and stuff like that.

What should we do, Darkside?

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At least you showed up to this one.

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At least you showed up to this one.

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At least you showed up to this one.

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Darkside wrote:
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I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that a Russian backed separatist organization, which is largely considered to be composed of Russian special forces with a minority of actual residents of Ukraine, and is well funded and armed by Russia, who downed a plane full of civilians including US citizens should be greeted with nothing more serious than meaningless sanctions.


But its not a U.S. plane. Had it been a U.S. plane, I think the reaction would be different. If the U.S. applies more sanctions or goes to war at this point, I don't think you get enough backing.

The worst part of this is it was an airline of a country that can't do much. Now if that was an Air China plane, you would have a much more interesting impact.

I'm not so sure China would shiv a get. They love them some Russia.
Even though it wasn't a US plane it had US civvies on it... Doesn't this piss us off?

It pisses me off that a bunch of civilians were shot down and killed by a bunch of cowards. I don't think it should piss us off MORE just because there were US casualties involved. I don't think Americans lives are inherently more valuable than other lives, and also this clearly(I think) is not a case where it was a direct "anti-American" attack.

Edit: 1 American casualty apparently?

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How did it go from 23 to 1?

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How did it go from 23 to 1?

I don't know. Obama announced it was only one in my FB newsfeed so that seems legit.

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How did it go from 23 to 1?

22 were illegal.

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22 were undercover CIA agents and the plane was shot down to eliminate them.

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Indiana univ lost a doctoral student in crash.

Must have been some Purdue loyalists in Ukraine

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Indiana univ lost a doctoral student in crash.

Must have been some Purdue loyalists in Ukraine


Just where was Brick yesterday???

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Must have been some Purdue loyalists in Ukraine
The Ukraine. Its a sitting duck, a road apple.

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Indiana univ lost a doctoral student in crash.

Must have been some Purdue loyalists in Ukraine



Mizzumor :roll: :roll:

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The book at Caesar's moved the line.

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The field of HIV/AIDS research has suffered a savage blow as reports suggest that as many as 108 leading researchers and advocates within the field were on board the Malaysia Airlines flight that that crashed yesterday. While the loss of any individual in such an instance is an extreme tragedy, the situation is particularly saddening given the loss of knowledge and expertise that was dedicated to tackling this dire global health problem.

The Boeing 777 airliner, which took off from Schiphol airport in Amsterdam, was on its way to Kuala Lumpur when it crashed on the Ukraine-Russia border, carrying 298 passengers. According to US and Australian governments, the cause of the crash was a surface-to-air missile. There were no survivors.

On board flight MH17 were a number of delegates headed to Melbourne for the AIDS 2014 conference which is due to start on Sunday. Over 100 attendees were scheduled to take this flight, but official confirmation of those on board has not yet been released. However, it is known that former International AIDS Society president and leading AIDS researcher Joep Lange was amongst those on the plane. Lange’s partner and ArtAIDS board member, Jacqueline van Tongeren, was also on board.

“Joep had an absolute commitment to HIV treatment and care in Asia and Africa,” director of Kirby Institute David A Cooper said in a University of New South Wales press-release. Lange has been working on HIV treatments since 1983 and has made ground-breaking contributions to the development of affordable HIV treatments, in particular combination therapies.

According to International AIDS Society president Francoise Barré-Sinoussi, the conference is scheduled to go ahead despite the tragedy, as “we know it’s really what they would have liked us to do.”

The conference is held every two years and is designed as a platform for campaigners to highlight developments in the field, discuss challenges and share expertise. One particular focus this year is said to be the laws in place in some African countries that criminalize homosexuality, and those in the former Soviet Union that punish intravenous drug users.

The situation has, as expected, hit home on the global AIDS community, and many members have expressed their sadness.

“These people were the best and the brightest, the ones who had dedicated their whole careers to fighting this terrible virus,” HIV researcher Clive Aspin told Guardian Australia. “It’s devastating.”

Prof. Richard Boyd, director of the Monash Immunology and Stem Cell Laboratories described the situation as “gut-wrenching,” and said that the loss of research leaders will have global ramifications on the field. “That knowledge is irreplaceable,” he told Guardian Australia.


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That's horrible but why were so many of them on that single flight?

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And why were they flying to the north from Malaysia to get the Melbourne?

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Why does the world not want a cure for AIDS?

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That's horrible but why were so many of them on that single flight?


Probably going to some conference or leaving one.

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